Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 235

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**Shogun** · 05-03-2013, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Chase Utley & Giancarlo Stanton?

I just came

Prison Bitch · 05-03-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Well, I'm unsure if we'll fill both of those positions (I have a unsettling feeling that Dayton considers Frenchy to be a vital piece to this franchise) but Utley (if he stays healthy) would be a sexy get if we can swing it.

Another guy with veto rights to 70% of the MLB teams.

Chiefspants · 05-03-2013, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Another guy with veto rights to 70% of the MLB teams.

If we can not land Utley, that's fine. Moving away from that fantasy, could someone break down who our expendable trading chips are at this deadline?

If Duffy and Paulino come back strong, Santana could be an interesting card to deal depending on our record and the offers we receive.

However, if we hold onto him and make him an offer in the offseason, we could receive a fair amount of compensation if he departs, correct?

CaliforniaChief · 05-03-2013, 10:08 PM

Isn't this the last year of Frenchy's contract?

Honestly, the more I think about it...the more I prefer Howie Kendrick as a trade piece.

He's younger, under contract for 3 years, can hit with some pop, and is a plus defender.

The Angels are so hard-up for pitching...of course partly because they gave us Ervin Santana for a AAAA pitcher who went under the knife. But I think we could put a good offer in for him.

CaliforniaChief · 05-03-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

If we can not land Utley, that's fine. Moving away from that fantasy, could someone break down who our expendable trading chips are at this deadline?

If Duffy and Paulino come back strong, Santana could be an interesting card to deal depending on our record and the offers we receive.

However, if we hold onto him and make him an offer in the offseason, we could receive a fair amount of compensation if he departs, correct?

Rany and Petro were talking about this today. Rany wants to just let Santana play out this year, ride his contract year, and let him walk for high draft pick compensation. Soren wants us to stop being bitches about payroll and pay both Santana and extend Shields.

Duncan listed the trade pieces. Our farm system is really good, just not at the highest level.

Ventura probably has the highest value. If you don't think he's got the frame to be a dependable starter, you sell high with him.

**lewdog** · 05-03-2013, 10:14 PM

What is the likelihood the game tomorrow does not get played???

I am trying to plan my day around getting home for game time but would be super pissed if I didn't need to get home for a game that isn't being played.

Chiefspants · 05-03-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Soren wants us to stop being bitches about payroll and pay both Santana and extend Shields.

Sigh, that's the dream.

BigCatDaddy · 05-03-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Sigh, that's the dream.

I think attendance is going to have to show signs of life for that to happen.

Chiefspants · 05-03-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think attendance is going to have to show signs of life for that to happen.

The weather has been unequivocally awful for the home games so far this season.

If the Royals keep winning, the fans will come.

**alnorth** · 05-03-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Sigh, that's the dream.

Our current horrible TV deal, signed at the bottom of the market, needs to expire. That'll take a while.

Chiefspants · 05-03-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Our current horrible TV deal, signed at the bottom of the market, needs to expire. That'll take a while.

Yeah, I was about to mention that. It's a shame whoever signed that deal on the royals end lacked anything that could be considered "vision".

**alnorth** · 05-03-2013, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Yeah, I was about to mention that. It's a shame whoever signed that deal on the royals end lacked anything that could be considered "vision".

We're probably at least $10-15MM under market per year on that.

ChiefsCountry · 05-03-2013, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think attendance is going to have to show signs of life for that to happen.

Weather has blown balls, Royals keep the winning up the K will be rocking this summer.

KChiefs1 · 05-03-2013, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think attendance is going to have to show signs of life for that to happen.

I'll hold off until Memorial Day before making a judgment on attendance.

CaliforniaChief · 05-03-2013, 10:47 PM

If the Royals are in it as the season continues, I would anticipate that attendance will reflect that.

Especially if GMDM makes a big move at the deadline.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $12422899	If the Royals are in it as the season continues, I would anticipate that attendance will reflect that. Especially if GMDM makes a big move at the deadline.
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