****Official 2014 Missouri Tigers Football Thread****

['Hamas' Jenkins]

None of this matters. Fire Pinkel.

[duncan_idaho]

I'm sure him being a St. Louis native/Mizzou product would have helped, too.

All the folks that think Aaron Crow is terrible because he's a Mizzou Hall of Famer and proud of it would have a really hard time with that.

Sadly, there are more of them than there should probably be.

[bowener]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Isn't that 2 in the last 3 years? Didn't Aldon Smith win it a couple of years ago?

Yes, sir. Unfortunately Mizzou will somehow fail to capitalize on this. As you can tell I am a true fan of the Tigers.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by patteeu

With the exception of a few (mostly Mizzou fans), Chiefsplanet would have been just as upset with a 1.1 defensive lineman.

While this is a small sample size, I'm going to disagree with you because the hour is late.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272024

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Sorter

While this is a small sample size, I'm going to disagree with you because the hour is late.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272024

I remember you and O.city both calling for Richardson, but I'll stand by what I said. The loudest voices of CP and their me too men would have panned another top of the draft defensive lineman after the history of Sims, Dorsey, Jackson, et al. Your Sheldon thread really only shows that there would have been pockets of support, IMO.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I remember you and O.city both calling for Richardson, but I'll stand by what I said. The loudest voices of CP and their me too men would have panned another top of the draft defensive lineman after the history of Sims, Dorsey, Jackson, et al. Your Sheldon thread really only shows that there would have been pockets of support, IMO.

That's probably true.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I remember you and O.city both calling for Richardson, but I'll stand by what I said. The loudest voices of CP and their me too men would have panned another top of the draft defensive lineman after the history of Sims, Dorsey, Jackson, et al. Your Sheldon thread really only shows that there would have been pockets of support, IMO.

This is inaccurate.

The Dorsey selection was widely loved on CP because he was viewed as an elite talent. On the other hand, Jackson was a poor pick because he hadn't produced at an elite level on the field. Similarly, Poe was someone who didn't dominate at a low level of college football.

I don't think there were any reservations about Richardson's talent level; he's rare in this respect. The problem, at least to me, was that he quit on Mizzou during a tough season, and when he was needed most, he backed out. And there's no way I would have selected a quitting bitch, which is what he was (and possibly still is), at 1/1.

It's reductive argumentation to claim that people would have panned the pick simply because of his position. Yes, some idiots would have. But "the loudest voices" on CP are, often, a bit too knowledgeable about football to make this type of mistake.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This is inaccurate.

The Dorsey selection was widely loved on CP because he was viewed as an elite talent. On the other hand, Jackson was a poor pick because he hadn't produced at an elite level on the field. Similarly, Poe was someone who didn't dominate at a low level of college football.

I don't think there were any reservations about Richardson's talent level; he's rare in this respect. The problem, at least to me, was that he quit on Mizzou during a tough season, and when he was needed most, he backed out. And there's no way I would have selected a quitting bitch, which is what he was (and possibly still is), at 1/1.

It's reductive argumentation to claim that people would have panned the pick simply because of his position. Yes, some idiots would have. But "the loudest voices" on CP are, often, a bit too knowledgeable about football to make this type of mistake.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I think you're wrong about what the loudest voices would have done and wrong about how knowledgeable they are.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by patteeu

We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I think you're wrong about what the loudest voices would have done and wrong about how knowledgeable they are.

That's fine. Depends whom we're labeling as the "loud" ones. I think some of those individuals do know a thing or two, and then there are those who hover around the margins, pick up upon a particular angle, and then scream it from the roof tops, with no real grasp about the issue at all.

It's these folks who generally make things insufferable.

[O.city]

Damn it, don't bring this up. The wounds are too fresh.

Seriously though, while had we taken him our defense would have been improved IMO against the elite qb that beat us, we'd be in a dilemma I guess at lt this offseason.

Oh well, elite 3-4 de prospects like Sheldon who can stop the run and rush the passer from the 3 tech grow in trees right?

[Pitt Gorilla]

I'm not sure I would have taken Big Shel either, but I sure as hell didn't want Geno freaking Smith.

I probably would have gone OT, as that seemed to be where the best talent was at the top of the draft. It appears I could have been wrong, though.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I wanted Sheldon. I really wanted Kenny Vaccaro. Imagine this defense with Vaccaro instead of Lewis.

[DeezNutz]

I don't remember anyone, save Sorter, pounding the drum for that quitting bitch, but it's clear in hindsight that this should have been the selection.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I wanted Sheldon. I really wanted Kenny Vaccaro. Imagine this defense with Vaccaro instead of Lewis.

I really am glad we were able to get the best player in the "worst draft class of all time".

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't remember anyone, save Sorter, pounding the drum for that quitting bitch, but it's clear in hindsight that this should have been the selection.

Ahem.


(Raises hand)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't remember anyone, save Sorter, pounding the drum for that quitting bitch, but it's clear in hindsight that this should have been the selection.

I got in debates with you and DJLN over the subject of Richardson last year.