Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 139

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Cephalic Trauma · 03-28-2013, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Now that we've dominated the Cactus League, winning the AL Central would be anti-climatic!

I can't wait for next February when we dominate our league again.
Cactus League Champs!
Cactus League Champs!
I wanna DVD and a T-Shirt!!!

Said nobody ever, even in this thread.

Most people have realistic expectations for this team.

Ceej · 03-28-2013, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Said nobody ever, even in this thread.

Most people have realistic expectations for this team.

He's a poor Mizzou fan.

Let him bask in the Royals preseason glory!

It's all he has got.

Cephalic Trauma · 03-28-2013, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles

He's a poor Mizzou fan.

Let him bask in the Royals preseason glory!

It's all he has got.

(I was not aware.)

Carry On, GBlowMe.

KChiefs1 · 03-28-2013, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Now that we've dominated the Cactus League, winning the AL Central would be anti-climatic!

I can't wait for next February when we dominate our league again.
Cactus League Champs!
Cactus League Champs!
I wanna DVD and a T-Shirt!!!

George you are truly a bitter Royals fan. I just can't give up on them...I spent too many years of my youth rooting for Amos, Big John, Cookie, Freddie, Paul Schaal, Drago, Busby, Scheinblum, etc....to just give up on them.

Cephalic Trauma · 03-28-2013, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

George you are truly a bitter Royals fan. I just can't give up on them...I spent too many years of my youth rooting for Amos, Big John, Cookie, Freddie, Paul Schaal, Drago, Busby, Scheinblum, etc....to just give up on them.

I'm tired of it. After pages and pages of good discussion, you get a post like that.

Great Expectations · 03-28-2013, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Who's getting on base if you put Gordon at 3? I long argued that I'd be fine with Billlaaayyy at 2. The notion of "clogging bases" is complete and total horse shit.

I like the idea of having runners on base so there is a possibility of them being clogged.

KevB · 03-28-2013, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

I just don't get why alcides is considered a better #2 than LoCain.

Anyone?

I think they're pretty interchangeable. Escobar maybe a bit better OBP, handles the bat better (will take ball to right side to move runner), etc. He's a better bunter, which I'm sure Ned appreciates but I could care less about. I'm ok with it, as I like the idea of having a little more pop at the back end of the lineup.

Stanley Nickels · 03-28-2013, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles

He's a poor Mizzou fan.

Let him bask in the Royals preseason glory!

It's all he has got.

I expected better from you.

Ceej · 03-28-2013, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

I expected better from you.

He's a miserable and old Mizzou fan?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-28-2013, 09:10 PM

Picked Lorenzo Cain up as a potential 4th OF for my FBB team. Do you guys think he has a legit chance at a 20/30 season this year?

Cephalic Trauma · 03-28-2013, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB

I think they're pretty interchangeable. Escobar maybe a bit better OBP, handles the bat better (will take ball to right side to move runner), etc. He's a better bunter, which I'm sure Ned appreciates but I could care less about. I'm ok with it, as I like the idea of having a little more pop at the back end of the lineup.

I like Cain's power and speed at that spot, but I see where you're coming from. I'm splitting hairs, as I think we would be good with either.

Cephalic Trauma · 03-28-2013, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Picked Lorenzo Cain up as a potential 4th OF for my FBB team. Do you guys think he has a legit chance at a 20/30 season this year?

If he gets enough AB's. It's looking like he'll bat 7th

Coach · 03-28-2013, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Picked Lorenzo Cain up as a potential 4th OF for my FBB team. Do you guys think he has a legit chance at a 20/30 season this year?

If he stays healthy. He's kind of snake bitten injury bug type of a player...

KevB · 03-28-2013, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Picked Lorenzo Cain up as a potential 4th OF for my FBB team. Do you guys think he has a legit chance at a 20/30 season this year?

Probably not, more due to health. Talent is probably there.

Hootie · 03-28-2013, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Picked Lorenzo Cain up as a potential 4th OF for my FBB team. Do you guys think he has a legit chance at a 20/30 season this year?

He has been smashing the shit out of the ball in the Cactus League.

If he plays 150 games, I can't see why he doesn't get at least 15 HR's and steal 25 bases.

The talent is there.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1780308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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