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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-28-2013, 01:02 PM   #1291
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I will be glad when Alex and the Offense hangs 4 TD's on the Giants this weekend-so threads like these will go away-lol
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:11 PM   #1292
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I will be glad when Alex and the Offense hangs 4 TD's on the Giants this weekend-so threads like these will go away-lol
So will I. So will everybody who isn't satisfied with the offensive production.
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:20 PM   #1293
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Not sure if this article has been referenced yet.

KC Chiefs offense: More damned lies and statistics

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...and-statistics
We won 2 games last year fielding the Worst Offense in the History of the NFL. We had the worst group of QB's in the league as well. So there really is no comparison. People need to chill with all the panic talk. I am sure they made adjustments in the playcalling for this week and have a game plan to take advantge of all the turnovers and great field position we have had. Have some faith peeps-lol

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Old 09-28-2013, 01:29 PM   #1294
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People need to chill with all the panic talk.
It's not panic talk. This discussion helps us to try and quantify why the offense hasn't worked so far, and then ascertain what kind of things are needed for improvement. That's all it's about at its core.

And besides, "just have faith, it'll get better" doesn't really make for very interesting discussion.
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:30 PM   #1295
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I will be glad when Alex and the Offense hangs 4 TD's on the Giants this weekend-so threads like these will go away-lol
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:43 PM   #1296
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We won 2 games last year fielding the Worst Offense in the History of the NFL. We had the worst group of QB's in the league as well. So there really is no comparison. People need to chill with all the panic talk. I am sure they made adjustments in the playcalling for this week and have a game plan to take advantge of all the turnovers and great field position we have had. Have some faith peeps-lol

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One thing's for sure.. everybody deals with things differently. I do agree with your outlook, but I can also appreciate what keg in kc responded with. To each his own, I guess. Me? I don't mind people pointing out areas in need of work. For some, that's what is happening. For others, I do think they go out of their way to bitch and be miserable... especially over one particular player out of spite just because the front office and coaches didn't go in the direction they wanted.

... and if that is the score of Sunday's game? I am going to celebrate heavily.
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And besides, "just have faith, it'll get better" doesn't really make for very interesting discussion.
That's practically all you see on the other Chiefs forums.
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For others, I do think they go out of their way to bitch and be miserable... especially over one particular player out of spite just because the front office and coaches didn't go in the direction they wanted.
Look, just shut the **** up. You have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.
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That's practically all you see on the other Chiefs forums.
Here you have valid warning signs from people who actually know WTF they're talking about (and no, I don't mean me.)
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It's not panic talk. This discussion helps us to try and quantify why the offense hasn't worked so far, and then ascertain what kind of things are needed for improvement. That's all it's about at its core.
In my view that is the coaching staff's job, not mine. What is the good in CP deciding what needs to be done? None of us can implement any changes.
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One thing's for sure.. everybody deals with things differently. I do agree with your outlook, but I can also appreciate what keg in kc responded with. To each his own, I guess. Me? I don't mind people pointing out areas in need of work. For some, that's what is happening. For others, I do think they go out of their way to bitch and be miserable... especially over one particular player out of spite just because the front office and coaches didn't go in the direction they wanted.

... and if that is the score of Sunday's game? I am going to celebrate heavily.
This.
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None of us can implement any changes.
I'd beg to disagree...
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:15 PM   #1305
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I'd beg to disagree...
I don't care how many banners you fly over Arrowhead this year, we are winning and Clark Hunt isn't going to change anything because of your banners. I really don't think the banners had that much impact on his decisions this offseason anyway. The Chiefs were historically bad, and I think Clark would have made the changes anyway.

I know it makes you guys feel good, but that is about it.
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