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Old 07-19-2018, 05:37 PM  
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TEDx Speaker: Pedophilia Is A Natural Sexual Orientation

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TEDx Speaker: Pedophilia Is An Unchangeable Orientation


Controversy erupted recently over a TEDx talk featuring a German medical student who exclaimed that "pedophilia is an unchangeable sexual orientation, just like … heterosexuality."

The student, Mirjam Heine, gave the talk at the University of Würtzberg in Germany this past May under the title "Why our perception of pedophilia has to change." During her talk, Heine said that people need to recognize that pedophilia is a natural force.

"Anyone could be born a pedophile," she told the audience, citing it as just an "unchangeable sexual orientation just like, for example, heterosexuality."

Heine then goes on to differentiate between pedophilia — the sexual attraction to children — and child molestation, which she said should never be accepted.

"The difference between pedophilia and other sexual orientations is that living out this sexual orientation will end in a disaster," she said.

Quite strangely, the student then cites "studies" showing that 20 to 30% of all child molesters are pedophiles.

On the sheer insanity of this, LifeSiteNews has more:

At times Heine’s ideas were confused. She said heterosexuality and pedophilia were both orientations, while saying pedophilia can be "heterosexual," "homosexual," and "bi-sexual." She intimated that a non-pedophile could sexually abuse a child, but also included within her definition of pedophiles people attracted, to a lesser extent, to adults. And although she seems to think people are “born” pedophiles, she also said pedophilia has biological, social, and psychological factors.

For Heine, pedophilia is not something that someone actually does but something that someone would like to do, as a sexual preference that they would "live out freely," if only it weren’t contrary to leading "an upright life."

Heine then goes on to turn sexual molestation into a societal problem by blaming it on the social isolation of pedophiles by making them fearful to express their inclinations.

"For example, they can’t tell their children they can’t go to the beach because children in swimsuits may be there as well," Heine said. "They can never be completely frank with someone else."

"We shouldn’t increase the sufferings of pedophiles by excluding them, by blaming and mocking them," Heine said. "By doing that, WE increase their isolation and WE increase the chance of child sexual abuse.”

"Just like pedophiles, we are not responsible for our feelings. We do not choose them. .. but it is our responsibility to ... overcome our negative feelings about pedophiles and to treat them with the same respect we treat other people with."

Though Heine acknowledges the evil in sexual molestation, she poses a dangerous idea here regarding the "acceptance" of pedophilia as a natural, unchangeable orientation. First off, if pedophilia were indeed "natural," it makes no sense to condemn the expression of it as wrong so long as the two parties are consenting. Once the inclination becomes accepted as "normal," we're only decades away from man-boy, man-girl and vice-versa relationships from storming the public square demanding their civil right to "love" each other.

But that's a side issue.

What's really insidious about her idea is that it would discourage actual pedophiles from seeking much-needed psychiatric treatment. The bottom line: pedophiles have a twisted sexual disorder of which they must be cured. There should be no acceptance of it. Sure, compassion must always be shown toward those who wish to improve their psychiatric state, especially when many of those people are victims of pedophiles themselves, but there should be no conflation between compassion and acceptance.

Following the video's posting to YouTube, Heine's talk faced immense backlash, forcing the organizers of TEDx to remove the video and issued an apologetic statement.

"After reviewing the talk, we believe it cites research in ways that are open to serious misinterpretation. This led some viewers to interpret the talk as an argument in favor of an illegal and harmful practice," they wrote. "Furthermore, after contacting the organizer to understand why it had been taken down, we learned that the speaker herself requested it be removed from the internet because she had serious concerns about her own safety in its wake."

"Our policy is and always has been to remove speakers’ talks when they request we do so. That is why we support this TEDx organizer’s decision to respect this speaker’s wishes and keep the talk offline."



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Old 07-19-2018, 09:05 PM   #16
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Because public support for pedophilia isn't going to be swayed by one idiot claiming it's normal. It will never be normalized. Worry over this is dumb.
Gender feminists have devised a way to normalize it though. The reason transgendermaina is being pushed onto kids is to convince the kids to demand the right to provide informed consent.



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Old 07-20-2018, 03:28 AM   #17
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I didn't see where the speaker herself said that pedophilia is a natural sexual orientation, only that it's unchangeable, which is a very common opinion. There really isn't much to disagree with in her speech from what is presented in the article.
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Old 07-20-2018, 05:48 AM   #18
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I didn't see where the speaker herself said that pedophilia is a natural sexual orientation, only that it's unchangeable, which is a very common opinion. There really isn't much to disagree with in her speech from what is presented in the article.
A distinction without a difference here. If it's natural for them, isn't it unchangeable? I would think so.
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Old 07-20-2018, 05:54 AM   #19
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Gender feminists have devised a way to normalize it though. The reason transgendermaina is being pushed onto kids is to convince the kids to demand the right to provide informed consent.

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If feral children raised by animals since they were babies can learn behaviors of animals as normal, then I do think the intent is to normalize pedophilia ( and other sexual practices) by sexualizing of human children at earlier and earlier ages.

Included in this would be creation of sympathy for pedophiles as victims, should they be ostracized by society. This will be another barrier to be removed.
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So incredibly sad people expose their children to that....disgusting.
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So incredibly sad people expose their children to that....disgusting.
That's in Maxine Water's district.
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A distinction without a difference here. If it's natural for them, isn't it unchangeable? I would think so.

I don't disagree with you but I find fault in the unnecessarily alarmist title. It's meant to evoke a knee jerk emotional reaction rather than to stimulate a reasonable discussion of how to combat child abuse.
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I didn't see where the speaker herself said that pedophilia is a natural sexual orientation, only that it's unchangeable, which is a very common opinion. There really isn't much to disagree with in her speech from what is presented in the article.
The first step toward normalization is an attempt to persuade everyone that the pedophile has no choice in their actions.

If they have no choice and this is a "natural" sexual orientation - that is to say, it comes from nature - then we should all start accepting it. After all, they were born this way and it's a part of who they are, so it's wrong to ostracize them and make them go around pretending they are something they're not and you should all just stop pedo-shaming them.

Many past cultures have reached this point. Pederasty was common in the ancient world. In ancient Greece it is celebrated in their art and was part of life in the upper social classes. It's common historically in many of the same cultures where homosexuality was commonplace and widely accepted.
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I don't disagree with you but I find fault in the unnecessarily alarmist title. It's meant to evoke a knee jerk emotional reaction rather than to stimulate a reasonable discussion of how to combat child abuse.
Well, here's one idea on how to combat child abuse: Don't attempt to excuse the behavior.
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The first step toward normalization is an attempt to persuade everyone that the pedophile has no choice in their actions.

If they have no choice and this is a "natural" sexual orientation - that is to say, it comes from nature - then we should all start accepting it. After all, they were born this way and it's a part of who they are, so it's wrong to ostracize them and make them go around pretending they are something they're not and you should all just stop pedo-shaming them.

Many past cultures have reached this point. Pederasty was common in the ancient world. In ancient Greece it is celebrated in their art and was part of life in the upper social classes. It's common historically in many of the same cultures where homosexuality was commonplace and widely accepted.

I see your point but there is no reason to go down that road. Many things are natural. Starvation, disease, hideous injuries, being mauled or killed by wild animals, lack of warmth and shelter, the list goes on. There is no reason to accept or condone any of it.
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I don't disagree with you but I find fault in the unnecessarily alarmist title. It's meant to evoke a knee jerk emotional reaction rather than to stimulate a reasonable discussion of how to combat child abuse.
Ya' know, I knew all along that you would be the one to make some sort of mushy defense of this, but make it look other than a defense. I almost posted my thoughts but decided to refrain. Thanks for bearing out my instinct.
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Well, here's one idea on how to combat child abuse: Don't attempt to excuse the behavior.

Child abuse is real. It manifests itself in many forms but off the top of my head there is emotional/psychological, physical, and sexual. There isn't any reason to pretend that there is a giant section of society that wishes to excuse it. That doesn't really help. If you want to help, there are actions that you can take on a regular, daily basis that will actually help prevent child abuse.
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Ya' know, I knew all along that you would be the one to make some sort of mushy defense of this, but make it look other than a defense. I almost posted my thoughts but decided to refrain. Thanks for bearing out my instinct.

Then you have misunderstood my comments as I haven't defended anything. But you keep doing you. Enjoy your manufactured conflict.
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Yeah, it's natural. That doesn't mean we shouldn't chop their balls off.

Murderous rage is natural. Rape is natural. Theft is natural. However, we are higher beings (supposedly) and we must control our emotions and urges as to not infringe upon the liberty of others.

Of course, this can be learned behavior as well.

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