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Old 07-18-2018, 08:40 PM  
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White House entertaining Russian proposal to interrogate U.S. citizens

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-h...-u-s-citizens/

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Wednesday that President Trump would discuss a Russian proposal to question American citizens, including*former U.S. Ambassador Michael McFaul, whom the Kremlin accuses of committing crimes in Russia.*

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According to a proposal outlined by Putin*at Monday's Helsinki summit, Russian authorities would observe the interrogation of the Americans. In exchange, special counsel Robert Mueller would be allowed to witness the questioning of 12 Russian nationals the U.S. has indicted for allegedly participating in election interference.

Later in Wednesday's press conference, CBS News' Steven Portnoy raised the issue again. Portnoy noted that Mr. Trump had called the Russian proposal an "interesting idea" and an "incredible offer" in Helsinki. "Why would he say that?" Portnoy asked.

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Old 07-19-2018, 07:25 AM   #31
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How is this related to why Trump won the election?
I'm speaking in general terms.
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Old 07-19-2018, 07:26 AM   #32
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America first.

Right.
Irrelevant comment here. Getting to the truth is the American way. That's like saying the Nuremberg trials weren't necessary. This would put the dirty-cops and cover-uppers for the Clintons on notice and expose them.
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Old 07-19-2018, 07:40 AM   #33
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They DID NOT MANIPULATE our election as in our whole election. This is Bullshit overstatement.

The DNC server issue was a leak and NOT a hack. Forensic evidence shows it could not have been a hack.

A few poorly targeted FB ads near the end of the election is NOT manipulation. In fact it's even legal. Other foreigners can do it too.

You just need an excuse to feel like your side won the election.
The Globalist Establishment is MANIPULATING your sour grapes.
Literally, nothing you’ve said in your post has any substance. You’re posting conspiracy theories as if they are somehow fact, minimizing the actual facts, and then providing no data to support your claims.
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Old 07-19-2018, 07:55 AM   #34
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Literally, nothing you’ve said in your post has any substance.
NOPE. You're projecting 'cuz this would be you.

Your using the word "manipulated" makes it sounds like the Russians did it to a whole election which caused your side to lose. Not even your own ally dirty-cop Rosenstein and our lying intel folks were bold enough to make that claim. Yet, here you are while calling out others for lack of substance. Sorry, this is pure opinion by you.

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You’re posting conspiracy theories as if they are somehow fact, minimizing the actual facts, and then providing no data to support your claims.
No you're the one believing a "conspiracy" theory as if it's fact and posting about it.

You are projecting.
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Old 07-19-2018, 07:58 AM   #35
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This is directed at the corrupt intelligence agencies of America who are currently trying to undermine his presidency.

Finally, a move to clean The Swamp.
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:29 AM   #36
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NOPE. You're projecting 'cuz this would be you.

Your using the word "manipulated" makes it sounds like the Russians did it to a whole election which caused your side to lose. Not even your own ally dirty-cop Rosenstein and our lying intel folks were bold enough to make that claim. Yet, here you are while calling out others for lack of substance. Sorry, this is pure opinion by you.



No you're the one believing a "conspiracy" theory as if it's fact and posting about it.

You are projecting.
Manipulate - control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously

Inside a 3-Year Russian Campaign to Influence U.S. Voters

Putin Ordered ‘Influence Campaign’ Aimed at U.S. Election, Report Says

If you want to call out the semantics, by all means, but this is as far as I go. I never said to what degree, how successful, whether it had an impact, or anything like that. You took it that way, and you get to explain that to yourself.

Your post is literally a "I know you are, but what am I"? Maybe I'm spinning my wheels here.
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:37 AM   #37
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Manipulate - control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously
Your own intel and dirty-cops said it had no influence.

Fact: Forensic evidence indicates DNC alleged hack as not a hack but an inside job where data was physically transferred to a hard drive. It's all in this forum somewhere with links and words of former NSA technical director.

New York Times, New York Times who also lied us into the Iraq war. Keep using them if you like being fooled.

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If you want to call out the semantics, by all means, but this is as far as I go.
It's not semantics. You're ignoring facts that don't bear out your choice of words.

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I never said to what degree, how successful, whether it had an impact, or anything like that. You took it that way, and you get to explain that to yourself.
You didn't have to, your choice of words suggest more and as such was an exaggeration because a few poorly target ads which is legal is far from "manipulation". If that's the case then the NYTs is manipulating public opinion here including yours. The other half is that there was NO hack of the DNC servers.

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Your post is literally a "I know you are, but what am I"?
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You are. But you can't really spin your way out of the facts.
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:18 AM   #38
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Your own intel and dirty-cops said it had no influence.

Fact: Forensic evidence indicates DNC alleged hack as not a hack but an inside job where data was physically transferred to a hard drive. It's all in this forum somewhere with links and words of former NSA technical director.

New York Times, New York Times who also lied us into the Iraq war. Keep using them if you like being fooled.



It's not semantics. You're ignoring facts that don't bear out your choice of words.



You didn't have to, your choice of words suggest more and as such was an exaggeration because a few poorly target ads which is legal is far from "manipulation". If that's the case then the NYTs is manipulating public opinion here including yours. The other half is that there was NO hack of the DNC servers.



NOPE


You are. But you can't really spin your way out of the facts.
Facts...

My fact -- US Gov't indicted 12 Russians for hacking the DNC, and then coordinating the release of the info gained

Your fact -- DNC wasn't hacked, but that the information was leaked by an insider

One of these is not like the other. One of these facts is widely accepted as such, the other is part of a conspiracy theory.

One of us is making an argument based on a fact. One is making an argument based on a theory.

One of us is sourcing their posts, one of us is telling the other to go digging.

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Old 07-19-2018, 09:40 AM   #39
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:41 AM   #40
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Facts...

My fact -- US Gov't indicted 12 Russians for hacking the DNC, and then coordinating the release of the info gained

Your fact -- DNC wasn't hacked, but that the information was leaked by an insider

One of these is not like the other. One of these facts is widely accepted as such, the other is part of a conspiracy theory.

One of us is making an argument based on a fact. One is making an argument based on a theory.

One of us is sourcing their posts, one of us is telling the other to go digging.
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:58 AM   #41
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Facts...

My fact -- US Gov't indicted 12 Russians for hacking the DNC, and then coordinating the release of the info gained

Your fact -- DNC wasn't hacked, but that the information was leaked by an insider

One of these is not like the other. One of these facts is widely accepted as such, the other is part of a conspiracy theory.

One of us is making an argument based on a fact. One is making an argument based on a theory.

One of us is sourcing their posts, one of us is telling the other to go digging.
The DNC could have been hacked from the outside and had someone on the inside hand out information. One condition does not inhibit the other. Either way, the DNC is not part of our election system. They are a group within our country and they got pwned and they were up to no good.

The point to take away from all of it is that the DNC practiced poor cyber security and the Trump Campaign had nothing to do with it. It is up to the DNC to protect their information. They didn't do it. They are not alone.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:00 AM   #42
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Facts...

My fact -- US Gov't indicted 12 Russians for hacking the DNC, and then coordinating the release of the info gained

Your fact -- DNC wasn't hacked, but that the information was leaked by an insider

One of these is not like the other. One of these facts is widely accepted as such, the other is part of a conspiracy theory.

One of us is making an argument based on a fact. One is making an argument based on a theory.
NOPE!

One of us is sourcing their posts, one of us is telling the other to go digging.

You don't have the FACTS on your side. You do have outrage though. Carry on.......
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:01 AM   #43
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The DNC could have been hacked from the outside and had someone on the inside hand out information. One condition does not inhibit the other.
Explain to me how this can be done, please.

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Either way, the DNC is not part of our election system. They are a group within our country and they got pwned and they were up to no good.
That's true, DNC is a private entity. Russians don't really have the cyber ability to get into something private like that.

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The point to take away from all of it is that the DNC practiced poor cyber security and the Trump Campaign had nothing to do with it. It is up to the DNC to protect their information. They didn't do it. They are not alone.
Without the server—we can't get the whole truth. It's key evidence. It's like a murder mystery without having the body.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:04 AM   #44
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The point to take away from all of it is that the DNC practiced poor cyber security and the Trump Campaign had nothing to do with it. It is up to the DNC to protect their information. They didn't do it. They are not alone.
Yeah, um, it’s still illegal to burglarize someone even if they didn’t install an alarm on their door.
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Yeah, um, it’s still illegal to burglarize someone even if they didn’t install an alarm on their door.
You are correct. However, if they aren't protecting their data and taking basic practices like not clicking on links in strange emails then they not only didn't not install an alarm, they didn't lock the door, they didn't understand how to lock the door, and probably took the door off the hinges for convenience because of their door lock "problem".

Dude, Podesta's password was "password".

On top of that, if the data was exfiltrated over the wire then they aren't even monitoring that aka large file transfers or file integrity monitoring.

this is troubling because democrats helped create and pass FISMA 2002 and 2014 which addresses these issues.

It is the DNC's responsibility to protect their data.

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