Chiefs What The Niners did with the Picks from the AS trade - Page 4

DTLB58 · 01:14 AM

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Now that we see the final product of what the Niners gave away and received in the Alex Smith trade from 14 months ago, we can judge one thing about San Francisco GM Trent Baalke: He is calculating, he is fast, and he knows how to set up his team for the future.

The result, first, of the 2013 trade of Smith to Kansas City for a pair of second-round draft picks. The two second-round picks, or their tributaries, were traded a total of five times over the past two drafts, and here’s how it shook out after this year’s draft.

Surrendered
QB Alex Smith

Acquired*
DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013)
LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013)
LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014)
RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014)
WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder)

* Lemonier was acquired in part with a tributary pick stemming from the Smith trade, and Johnson was acquired from Buffalo on Friday for a fourth-round conditional pick in 2015. That’s included here because San Francisco obtained a fourth-round pick in 2015 from Denver for the second-round pick that originally belonged to Kansas City—so the two picks, arguably, will end up canceling each other out.
Now the story. In the span of 22 minutes Friday, Baalke consummated three trades. One: He traded the 56th pick in the second round (the second Kansas City second-rounder) to Denver for the 63rdand 171st this year, and the Broncos’ fourth-round pick next year. Two: Baalke traded the 63rd and 171stpicks just acquired from Denver to Miami for the 57th pick in the draft; Baalke got the player he would have picked at 56, Carlos Hyde, at 57 … while adding the fourth-rounder next year that replaced the pick used to get Stevie Johnson. Three: He traded his own second-round pick, 61st overall, to Jacksonville for the 70th and 150th picks.

Baalke explained that he and COO Paraag Marathe work the phone and line up prospective trades, and it was hectic because there were a couple of other teams calling in that 22-minute span trying to get one or more of the Niners’ picks at 56 and 61. “That span you talked about was a little bit of a grind,” Baalke said late Saturday night. “A lot of action, a lot of things to consider. Paraag’s the best in the business at lining things up, and then we make the decision. After we made the trade with Denver, I thought we might be able to get Carlos at 61, but then we called [Miami] at 57 and figured we could use what we got from Denver in this year’s draft and keep next year’s pick and move up to make sure we got him. And it allowed us basically to get our four back, which we used to trade for Stevie.”

This isn’t a case of San Francisco fleecing Denver. But it is an example of Baalke doing the smart thing, and waiting till a needy team is either on the clock or frothing after a certain player. That was Denver with wide receiver Cody Latimer, who the Broncos project to replace Eric Decker right away. If he works out the way John Elway thinks, surrendering the four next year will be nothing.

Time will tell if Baalke made the haul worth it. The five pieces the Smith deal yielded:

Carradine will get on the field healthy for the first time as a Niner this month. He missed all of last season with an ACL tear. He’ll be the third man in the 3-4 defensive end rotation with the aging Justin Smith and Ray McDonald, and move inside on some four-lineman snaps. He’s being groomed to start in the 3-4 scheme when Smith or McDonald are gone.
Lemonierplayed 284 snaps, mostly subbing for the idle Aldon Smith last year, and will be in the outside-linebacker rotation with Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody, competing for time.
Borlandis an accomplished college player, and produced an amazing 27 turnovers in his Wisconsin career. But he’s only 5-11 ½, and he could be a first-down player only (against the run). “It’ll be interesting to see if his game translates to the NFL,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. However, with NaVorro Bowman expect to be sidelined until at least November rehabbing a sere knee injury, there’s a spot on the Niners’ D at inside ‘backer waiting to be won, and Borland will get a solid crack at it. “I’ve heard people talk about his size, and his short arms,” said Baalke. “But he’s a guy with instincts. All those short did somehow was rack up over 400 tackles in the Big Ten.”
Hyde should be able to make the move from the Big 10 to the NFL much easier. He’s the heir to Frank Gore, a 230-pound bruiser with enough moves to be an every-down back. That is, if Gore ever slows down.
Johnson is still only 27, but he had a down year last year with the Bills. He’s not the speedster the Niners sought this offseason to help de-pressurize Anquan Boldin and Michael Crabtree, but he should be a good third receiver and an adequate piece to San Francisco’s underachieving receiver group.
I asked Baalke about his feelings on the trade now that the chips are known. “Mixed emotions,’’ he said. “I have so much respect for Alex Smith and his family, and great regard for him as a player. He’s the epitome of a good man and teammate and a good player. I know the Kansas City Chiefs staff, and they are thrilled to have him. We’ll see how it works out for us. It’s still early.”

Halfcan · 05-12-2014, 08:32 AM

DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013)
LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013)
LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014)
RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014)
WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder)

Would all of these players combined taken us from a laughing stock 2-11 team to a playoff team like Alex did?

**notorious** · 05-12-2014, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

The 49ers already restructed Baldwin, but at the time I looked at their contracts and Baldwin had less guaranteed money left on his contract. As it is right now they'll save about $1m and 1 year of a roster spot.

But, they got Baldfail. Just having him on the roster dragged this team down, or at the very least it chipped away at our sanity.

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

But, they got Baldfail. Just having him on the roster dragged this team down, or at the very least it chipped away at our sanity.

Meh.

Tit for tat.

We got Junkins.

OldSchool · 05-12-2014, 08:36 AM

Yeah, the 49ers actually did a very poor job, IMO, of maximizing the extra picks that they had. Draft another RB when you already have Marcus Latimore, Kendall Hunter, and Lamichael James in your backfield for the future? What the hell was that?

Borland isn't going to do crap on that team with Willis and Bowman there unless they're planning to cut Willis in the near future because of the cost.

Then they seem to have a fascination with players who have bad knee injuries in college. Carradine is far from a guarantee as a good player in this league and certainly won't be on Justin Smith's level as a player. The same can be said of Lemonier compared to Ahmad Brooks.

Stevie Johnson was a good WR a year ago but the 49ers don't really use their WRs anyways. They run the ball more than they pass it, and when they pass it, regardless of who is open, the only person who is going to get the ball is the primary receiver on the play (Crabtree, Boldin, or Davis). At best Johnson will be a 30-40 catch guy with about 300-400 yards to his name; he'll more likely be a 20ish catch guy with about 250 yards of production.

They're nice depth but they aren't pushing the 49ers over the Seahawks.

**LoneWolf** · 05-12-2014, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013)
LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013)
LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014)
RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014)
WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder)

Would all of these players combined taken us from a laughing stock 2-11 team to a playoff team like Alex did?

Only one of those guys would start for KC.

OldSchool · 05-12-2014, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013)
LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013)
LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014)
RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014)
WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder)

Would all of these players combined taken us from a laughing stock 2-11 team to a playoff team like Alex did?

Not a chance.

**MahiMike** · 05-12-2014, 08:46 AM

Who cares.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-12-2014, 08:46 AM

One of the best organizations in the league picks a bunch of "jobbers" and the Chiefs had a great draft.

Only on ChiefsPlanet.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-12-2014, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Then they seem to have a fascination with players who have bad knee injuries in college.

Eric Fisher
Knile Davis
Dee Ford
Travis Kelce
Alex Smith

Two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds used by John Dorsey. Bastions of physical health, the lot of them.

OldSchool · 05-12-2014, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Eric Fisher
Knile Davis
Dee Ford
Travis Kelce
Alex Smith

Two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds used by John Dorsey. Bastions of physical health, the lot of them.

Wasn't aware that they all had ACL injuries and that Smith didn't play the entire season for us.

**the Talking Can** · 05-12-2014, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No way, not at all.

The 49ers failed to maximize the value of those picks.

One of those LBs won't even make the team and they drafted a defensive lineman named "Tank" - he's guaranteed to fail.

um, they got all of that for a QB they benched..a QB no one wanted FOR FREE a year before

he had 0 value to the 49ers, and they still flipped him for real draft value

it was ****ing genius

RunKC · 05-12-2014, 08:58 AM

Hope Andy can build Murray up and rape so e team like he did with Kolb.

htismaqe · 05-12-2014, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

um, they got all of that for a QB they benched..a QB no one wanted FOR FREE a year before

he had 0 value to the 49ers, and they still flipped him for real draft value

it was ****ing genius

Look at the post I replied to.

They got something for nothing. But he was only "nothing" to them. He's "something" for us.

And when you look at how they used those picks, "rape" is a ridiculous word to use.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-12-2014, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

One of the best organizations in the league picks a bunch of "jobbers" and the Chiefs had a great draft.

Only on ChiefsPlanet.

Hey that's how the author described them. Care to differ? I am not seeing anything other than "OMG DA NINERS PACKED EM". Kind of like when Cody and Kindle were hall of famers because of going to the Ravens

keg in kc · 05-12-2014, 09:05 AM

I'm pretty interested to see what the Chiefs do in next year's draft. Due primarily to the Smith trade, as well as a lack of comp picks (which give some flexibility to move other picks) they just haven't had a whole lot of ammo to move. They should have double-digit picks next year. We'll see if they do anything with them.

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DTLB58 DT CARD COLLECTOR Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ManCave Casino cash: $10005837	What The Niners did with the Picks from the AS trade From MMQB http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/12/the-20...with-a-kiss/3/ Now that we see the final product of what the Niners gave away and received in the Alex Smith trade from 14 months ago, we can judge one thing about San Francisco GM Trent Baalke: He is calculating, he is fast, and he knows how to set up his team for the future. The result, first, of the 2013 trade of Smith to Kansas City for a pair of second-round draft picks. The two second-round picks, or their tributaries, were traded a total of five times over the past two drafts, and here’s how it shook out after this year’s draft. Surrendered QB Alex Smith Acquired* DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013) LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013) LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014) RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014) WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder) * Lemonier was acquired in part with a tributary pick stemming from the Smith trade, and Johnson was acquired from Buffalo on Friday for a fourth-round conditional pick in 2015. That’s included here because San Francisco obtained a fourth-round pick in 2015 from Denver for the second-round pick that originally belonged to Kansas City—so the two picks, arguably, will end up canceling each other out. Now the story. In the span of 22 minutes Friday, Baalke consummated three trades. One: He traded the 56th pick in the second round (the second Kansas City second-rounder) to Denver for the 63rdand 171st this year, and the Broncos’ fourth-round pick next year. Two: Baalke traded the 63rd and 171stpicks just acquired from Denver to Miami for the 57th pick in the draft; Baalke got the player he would have picked at 56, Carlos Hyde, at 57 … while adding the fourth-rounder next year that replaced the pick used to get Stevie Johnson. Three: He traded his own second-round pick, 61st overall, to Jacksonville for the 70th and 150th picks. Baalke explained that he and COO Paraag Marathe work the phone and line up prospective trades, and it was hectic because there were a couple of other teams calling in that 22-minute span trying to get one or more of the Niners’ picks at 56 and 61. “That span you talked about was a little bit of a grind,” Baalke said late Saturday night. “A lot of action, a lot of things to consider. Paraag’s the best in the business at lining things up, and then we make the decision. After we made the trade with Denver, I thought we might be able to get Carlos at 61, but then we called [Miami] at 57 and figured we could use what we got from Denver in this year’s draft and keep next year’s pick and move up to make sure we got him. And it allowed us basically to get our four back, which we used to trade for Stevie.” This isn’t a case of San Francisco fleecing Denver. But it is an example of Baalke doing the smart thing, and waiting till a needy team is either on the clock or frothing after a certain player. That was Denver with wide receiver Cody Latimer, who the Broncos project to replace Eric Decker right away. If he works out the way John Elway thinks, surrendering the four next year will be nothing. Time will tell if Baalke made the haul worth it. The five pieces the Smith deal yielded: Carradine will get on the field healthy for the first time as a Niner this month. He missed all of last season with an ACL tear. He’ll be the third man in the 3-4 defensive end rotation with the aging Justin Smith and Ray McDonald, and move inside on some four-lineman snaps. He’s being groomed to start in the 3-4 scheme when Smith or McDonald are gone. Lemonierplayed 284 snaps, mostly subbing for the idle Aldon Smith last year, and will be in the outside-linebacker rotation with Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody, competing for time. Borlandis an accomplished college player, and produced an amazing 27 turnovers in his Wisconsin career. But he’s only 5-11 ½, and he could be a first-down player only (against the run). “It’ll be interesting to see if his game translates to the NFL,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. However, with NaVorro Bowman expect to be sidelined until at least November rehabbing a sere knee injury, there’s a spot on the Niners’ D at inside ‘backer waiting to be won, and Borland will get a solid crack at it. “I’ve heard people talk about his size, and his short arms,” said Baalke. “But he’s a guy with instincts. All those short did somehow was rack up over 400 tackles in the Big Ten.” Hyde should be able to make the move from the Big 10 to the NFL much easier. He’s the heir to Frank Gore, a 230-pound bruiser with enough moves to be an every-down back. That is, if Gore ever slows down. Johnson is still only 27, but he had a down year last year with the Bills. He’s not the speedster the Niners sought this offseason to help de-pressurize Anquan Boldin and Michael Crabtree, but he should be a good third receiver and an adequate piece to San Francisco’s underachieving receiver group. I asked Baalke about his feelings on the trade now that the chips are known. “Mixed emotions,’’ he said. “I have so much respect for Alex Smith and his family, and great regard for him as a player. He’s the epitome of a good man and teammate and a good player. I know the Kansas City Chiefs staff, and they are thrilled to have him. We’ll see how it works out for us. It’s still early.” Last edited by DTLB58; 05-12-2014 at 01:14 AM.. Reason: Added text
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OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	Yeah, the 49ers actually did a very poor job, IMO, of maximizing the extra picks that they had. Draft another RB when you already have Marcus Latimore, Kendall Hunter, and Lamichael James in your backfield for the future? What the hell was that? Borland isn't going to do crap on that team with Willis and Bowman there unless they're planning to cut Willis in the near future because of the cost. Then they seem to have a fascination with players who have bad knee injuries in college. Carradine is far from a guarantee as a good player in this league and certainly won't be on Justin Smith's level as a player. The same can be said of Lemonier compared to Ahmad Brooks. Stevie Johnson was a good WR a year ago but the 49ers don't really use their WRs anyways. They run the ball more than they pass it, and when they pass it, regardless of who is open, the only person who is going to get the ball is the primary receiver on the play (Crabtree, Boldin, or Davis). At best Johnson will be a 30-40 catch guy with about 300-400 yards to his name; he'll more likely be a 20ish catch guy with about 250 yards of production. They're nice depth but they aren't pushing the 49ers over the Seahawks.
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