Chiefs Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs - Page 270

Deberg_1990 · 02-27-2013, 10:59 AM

Well, it looks like the deal is done.

https://twitter.com/intent/user?scre...w_p=tweetembed

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49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith

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Deal has been agreed upon between Chiefs and 49ers. Compensation unclear but I'm told again Chiefs have made a clear commitment to Smith.

Beeker · 03-07-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

there needs to be a thread taking bets on who gets hurt first, Tony Moeaki or Alex Smith.

that's a tough one.

Let's hope they don't have a Williams/Hunter moment and take each other out!

mcaj22 · 03-07-2013, 08:43 PM

the problem is Alex Smith needs the best elite defense to help him be an acceptable NFL QB

the guy couldnt win when the defense was average, the guy still couldnt win when the defense was good, or very good, that defense had to get top 3 elite maybe even 1st pending who you ask for Alex Smith to start having positive success. That elite defense shut offenses down and sat on leads for Alex Smith and got him a lot of victories the last two years

and that's something we are far from on our defense despite having some good players on it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-07-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Here's hoping they don't hurt each other
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bwa-hahahahahaha...
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Beeker · 03-07-2013, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I know better, but I'll play...

Tom Brady...............30 wins/ 28 losses in 58 games = 52%
Joe Flacco................10 wins/12 losses in 22 games = 46%
Matt Ryan................11 wins/17 losses in 28 games = 39%
Peyton Manning........35 wins/ 54 losses in 89 games = 39%
Aaron Rodgers..........11 wins/19 losses in 30 games = 37%
Drew Brees..............27 wins/ 51 losses in 78 games = 35%
Eli Manning, .............18 wins/44 losses in 62 games = 29%
Matthew Stafford........7 wins/ 21 losses in 28 games = 25%
Matt Schaub..............14 wins/43 losses in 57 games = 25%
Matt Cassel...............8 wins/26 losses in 34 games = 24%
Ben Roethilsberger........6 wins/21 losses in 27 games = 22%
Alex Smith..................2 wins/27 losses in 29 games = 7%

What this means to you is up to how much you think an elite QB impacts the team. All I know is, there is a hell of a difference between 7% and even 35% when you are fighting for a playoff berth or trying to navigate to the superbowl. All of those elite/elitish guys are in the 30's on up.

Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers are in the top 6, all cleary elite QBs. Flacco is nearly elite. Ryan, I didn't expect. So who knows?

All I know is, it is no secret it is very difficult to win when your Defense allows 24 points. That is why it is a bellweather. That's why they don't use 7 or 14 points as the dividing point. Because giving up 24 means you usually lose. So the key here is, what QBs shoulder their team and give you SOME chance to win when the Defense gives up 24 points.

All of this means exactly jack since it is a team sport, but it does seem indicate that some QBs can step up to generate points when needed and other QBs can't.

Just for fun, here is a how a classic HoFer fared -

Joe Montana...........21 wins/24 losses in 45 games = 46%

Hmm, maybe there is a little something to this metric.

Just for fun - can you run the numbers on Luck, RGIII, Wilson, and Kaepernick, too?

mcaj22 · 03-07-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Beeker

Just for fun - can you run the numbers on Luck, RGIII, Wilson, and Kaepernick, too?

their sample size is one year

... lol

**SAUTO** · 03-07-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Beeker

Just for fun - can you run the numbers on Luck, RGIII, Wilson, and Kaepernick, too?

They are all in their first years starting.

Small sample size.
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**SAUTO** · 03-07-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

their sample size is one year

... lol

**** you
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Sorter · 03-07-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

their sample size is one year

... lol

This. Plus, Kaeps is less than 1 year. Would be exceptionally silly.

Carlota69 · 03-07-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I know better, but I'll play...

Tom Brady...............30 wins/ 28 losses in 58 games = 52%
Joe Flacco................10 wins/12 losses in 22 games = 46%
Matt Ryan................11 wins/17 losses in 28 games = 39%
Peyton Manning........35 wins/ 54 losses in 89 games = 39%
Aaron Rodgers..........11 wins/19 losses in 30 games = 37%
Drew Brees..............27 wins/ 51 losses in 78 games = 35%
Eli Manning, .............18 wins/44 losses in 62 games = 29%
Matthew Stafford........7 wins/ 21 losses in 28 games = 25%
Matt Schaub..............14 wins/43 losses in 57 games = 25%
Matt Cassel...............8 wins/26 losses in 34 games = 24%
Ben Roethilsberger........6 wins/21 losses in 27 games = 22%
Alex Smith..................2 wins/27 losses in 29 games = 7%

What this means to you is up to how much you think an elite QB impacts the team. All I know is, there is a hell of a difference between 7% and even 35% when you are fighting for a playoff berth or trying to navigate to the superbowl. All of those elite/elitish guys are in the 30's on up.

Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers are in the top 6, all cleary elite QBs. Flacco is nearly elite. Ryan, I didn't expect. So who knows?

All I know is, it is no secret it is very difficult to win when your Defense allows 24 points. That is why it is a bellweather. That's why they don't use 7 or 14 points as the dividing point. Because giving up 24 means you usually lose. So the key here is, what QBs shoulder their team and give you SOME chance to win when the Defense gives up 24 points.

All of this means exactly jack since it is a team sport, but it does seem indicate that some QBs can step up to generate points when needed and other QBs can't.

Just for fun, here is a how a classic HoFer fared -

Joe Montana...........21 wins/24 losses in 45 games = 46%

Hmm, maybe there is a little something to this metric.

How many of Casshats wins were when he was with NE?

**Mav** · 03-07-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If Alex Smith averages 25 tds the next two years, and none of the rookies from this class blow up, the trade was good.

if alex smith has to throw for 25 tds, the chiefs are going to be 6-10

Beeker · 03-07-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

their sample size is one year

... lol

Geez guys, can't I make a (weak) attempt at a joke? Sheesh! At least a couple of you got it.

mcaj22 · 03-07-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

if alex smith has to throw for 25 tds, the chiefs are going to be 6-10

so your logic is... the less TDs he throws the better we will be? So..............

the less times he drops back to pass and the more times we run, the better we will be?

that's how you defend your QB in today's pass happy NFL?

LOL

**Mav** · 03-07-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie

Barkley and Smith could and will surpass him as rookies.
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wanna place a bet on this? especially barkley.

barkley wont. ill bet my membership at chiefs planet on it. you want me gone.

if barkley does, ill leave, if he doesnt, you go. seems simple

RunKC · 03-07-2013, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I know better, but I'll play...

Tom Brady...............30 wins/ 28 losses in 58 games = 52%
Joe Flacco................10 wins/12 losses in 22 games = 46%
Matt Ryan................11 wins/17 losses in 28 games = 39%
Peyton Manning........35 wins/ 54 losses in 89 games = 39%
Aaron Rodgers..........11 wins/19 losses in 30 games = 37%
Drew Brees..............27 wins/ 51 losses in 78 games = 35%
Eli Manning, .............18 wins/44 losses in 62 games = 29%
Matthew Stafford........7 wins/ 21 losses in 28 games = 25%
Matt Schaub..............14 wins/43 losses in 57 games = 25%
Matt Cassel...............8 wins/26 losses in 34 games = 24%
Ben Roethilsberger........6 wins/21 losses in 27 games = 22%
Alex Smith..................2 wins/27 losses in 29 games = 7%

What this means to you is up to how much you think an elite QB impacts the team. All I know is, there is a hell of a difference between 7% and even 35% when you are fighting for a playoff berth or trying to navigate to the superbowl. All of those elite/elitish guys are in the 30's on up.

Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers are in the top 6, all cleary elite QBs. Flacco is nearly elite. Ryan, I didn't expect. So who knows?

All I know is, it is no secret it is very difficult to win when your Defense allows 24 points. That is why it is a bellweather. That's why they don't use 7 or 14 points as the dividing point. Because giving up 24 means you usually lose. So the key here is, what QBs shoulder their team and give you SOME chance to win when the Defense gives up 24 points.

All of this means exactly jack since it is a team sport, but it does seem indicate that some QBs can step up to generate points when needed and other QBs can't.

Just for fun, here is a how a classic HoFer fared -

Joe Montana...........21 wins/24 losses in 45 games = 46%

Hmm, maybe there is a little something to this metric.

This is a huge flaw. Look at who Cassel's surrounding cast is in his career and who coached him. Now look at Alex Smith's.

Huge difference.

mcaj22 · 03-07-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

This is a huge flaw. Look at who Cassel's surrounding cast is in his career and who coached him. Now look at Alex Smith's.

Huge difference.

Alex Smith has had like a top 20 defense the last 6 years and was still god damn terrible

Cassel has had really bad defenses for the last 4 years sans 1 magical fluke year, and even then it wasnt that good.

Alex Smith has had the better cast and coaching in San Fran, than Cassel has had here, so what is your point. Smith's numbers should be WAY better if he was a QB worth a god damn shit, but he isnt

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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	the problem is Alex Smith needs the best elite defense to help him be an acceptable NFL QB the guy couldnt win when the defense was average, the guy still couldnt win when the defense was good, or very good, that defense had to get top 3 elite maybe even 1st pending who you ask for Alex Smith to start having positive success. That elite defense shut offenses down and sat on leads for Alex Smith and got him a lot of victories the last two years and that's something we are far from on our defense despite having some good players on it.
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