Chiefs Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM - Page 2

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-27-2012, 04:18 PM

• Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire.

If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen.

Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco.

Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year.

On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck.

On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2GIFg6Ne3

Hootie · 12-27-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Yes, because he's improved his win total from the previous season by 3 or 4 games compared to last season. And for being able to win 10/11 games his 3rd season in Seattle.

I think he's done an outstanding job this year with a rookie QB.

I'd give it to him or Mike Shanahan.

John Fox is inelgible for having Peyton Manning at QB.

Bruce Arians. Sure...luckiest team ever. The Colts are luckier than the 2010 Chiefs, and it's not close. If they land the #6 seed and play the Patriots...they will lose by 21+.

That team is one of those teams that is primed for a 5-11 next year. I think Andrew takes his BIG leap in year 3.

**LoneWolf** · 12-27-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

the NFL coach of the year award should go to Pete Carroll.

I would never give a COY to a Peyton Manning led team...or a Tom Brady led team...or an Aaron Rodgers led team...unless MAYBE the team went 16-0.

Well it's a good thing the article didn't mention John Fox, Bill Belichik, or Mike McCarthy. The job Arians has done with that Colts team is certainly worthy of consideration for COY.

ZootedGranny · 12-27-2012, 05:06 PM

I don't know much about that list of GMs beyond cursory Google searches, but I hope that list is legit for the mere fact that it's exactly the hiring strategy Clark Hunt should stick with.

I was fearful that Pioli & Haley's flameouts would make Clark cautious and have him return to the old guard, rather than give a chance to someone new.

Hootie · 12-27-2012, 05:06 PM

That's fine. I guess I don't disagree. I personally like what Carroll and Shanahan has done more, but that's just me. The Colts have just been SO lucky...they have gotten literally every bounce.

But hey, hats off. I don't really want Arians to be our next coach but I won't cry about it...there are much worse choices out there.

Molitoth · 12-27-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

Yep. Cassel is the monkey on Pioli's back... all he had to do was admit one mistake.

**notorious** · 12-27-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

I agree, it all comes down to Pioli being a complete ****ing reerun with Cassel.

Cassel led to Haley's firing, Crennel's hiring as HC, completely alienating the fans, etc.

If Pioli is retained, say hello to Josh McDaniels.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-27-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

His drafts weren't bad?

4 years and not a single impact player. Houston might prove to be one, but even then - one impact player in 4 drafts?

That's a huge reason why this team has gone full circle back to the 2-14 hell Pioli inherited.

**notorious** · 12-27-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

His drafts weren't bad?

4 years and not a single impact player. Houston might prove to be one, but even then - one impact player in 4 drafts?

That's a huge reason why this team has gone full circle back to the 2-14 hell Pioli inherited.

A QB masks a lot of garbage.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-27-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

A QB masks a lot of garbage.

Key word is "masks".

Having a legit QB doesn't make those picks any better.

**notorious** · 12-27-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Key word is "masks".

Having a legit QB doesn't make those picks any better.

I agree, but it buys Pioli another 4 years.

Why is he so ****ing stubborn?

Goldmember · 12-27-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

His drafts weren't bad?

4 years and not a single impact player. Houston might prove to be one, but even then - one impact player in 4 drafts?

That's a huge reason why this team has gone full circle back to the 2-14 hell Pioli inherited.

Agreed. How anyone can defend what Pioli has done in the drafts is beyond me. Hell almost anyone on CP would have done better.

**Easy 6** · 12-27-2012, 05:14 PM

With Zimmer, my initial reaction is HELL NO, I WANT A QB FRIENDLY OFFENSIVE FOCUS.

But i could maybe live with it, depending on who he brought on as OC, and how much leeway he was given.

But Don, and every other pundit better just quit worrying about Clark and piolis supposed relationship... nothing less than complete regime change is going to reignite the KC fanbase, and Clark SURELY knows this by now.

**notorious** · 12-27-2012, 05:16 PM

If Pioli is retained, hires a new coach, and drafts Geno Smith, he will get sucked off by 95% of the fans.

Talk is tough now, but that shit will go out of the window in an instant.

Hootie · 12-27-2012, 05:19 PM

well I think Houston and Berry will be impact players...

and I suppose I won't give up on Asomoah, Allen or Stephenson yet.

I sort of liked what I saw out of Wylie last game.

Guess I can't give up on Poe either.

But yeah, Pioli sucks. I do give him a pass on 2009 because that draft was shit. He passed on Gronk, Graham and Hernandez in 2010 so he can blow me on that draft.

Rams Fan · 12-27-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

I think he's done an outstanding job this year with a rookie QB.

I'd give it to him or Mike Shanahan.

John Fox is inelgible for having Peyton Manning at QB.

Bruce Arians. Sure...luckiest team ever. The Colts are luckier than the 2010 Chiefs, and it's not close. If they land the #6 seed and play the Patriots...they will lose by 21+.

That team is one of those teams that is primed for a 5-11 next year. I think Andrew takes his BIG leap in year 3.

I agree with you 100% about the Colts, however, I still think Arians has done a great job considering the circumstances.

Frazier has also done a good job, too.

12-27-2012, 04:18 PM
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3726009	Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM • Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire. If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen. Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco. Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year. On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck. On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2GIFg6Ne3
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	That's fine. I guess I don't disagree. I personally like what Carroll and Shanahan has done more, but that's just me. The Colts have just been SO lucky...they have gotten literally every bounce. But hey, hats off. I don't really want Arians to be our next coach but I won't cry about it...there are much worse choices out there.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	well I think Houston and Berry will be impact players... and I suppose I won't give up on Asomoah, Allen or Stephenson yet. I sort of liked what I saw out of Wylie last game. Guess I can't give up on Poe either. But yeah, Pioli sucks. I do give him a pass on 2009 because that draft was shit. He passed on Gronk, Graham and Hernandez in 2010 so he can blow me on that draft.
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