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**Tribal Warfare** · 07-05-2013, 11:21 PM

Jaworski rates Chiefs QB at No. 20 among NFL starters

The Kansas City Star
Former NFL quarterback-turned-broadcaster Ron Jaworski ranks new Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith No. 20 among the NFL's 32 starting quarterbacks.

That's according to Jaworski's ratings on ESPN's MediaZone site, transcribed from his three-minute daily segments dubbed "Jaws' QB Countdown" on SportsCenter and NFL Live.

Smith, of course, was acquired in a trade from San Francisco this offseason, and has yet to throw a pass in Kansas City (aside from OTAs, that is).

Here are some excerpts from Jaworski's evaluation of Smith:

“A year ago, Smith was coming off his best season in the NFL, having led the 49ers to the NFC Championship. This year, he’s the starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. It was a great move by (Chiefs coach) Andy Reid to acquire Smith.

“The defining element of Smith’s play is efficiency. He executes the offense the way it’s designed, and he makes very few mistakes. Last season – for the second year in a row – he was exceptional on first down. In 2012 he led the NFL in first-down passing, with a quarterback rating of 119. Much of it came off play-action, or in the case of the 49ers, hard run-action out of base personnel. There was no better play-action quarterback last season than Smith. He had a quarterback rating of over 132.

“Smith has been outstanding out of multiple tight end personnel over the last couple of seasons. No quarterback has thrown the ball more with three tight ends on the field. You don’t see that very often in today’s NFL.

“This play was beautifully designed with all three tight ends to the same side. First, look at the impact of the run-action on the two linebackers and the safety. This was hard run-action. Then you see that Delanie Walker’s vertical route occupied the corner. That left Vernon Davis matched on a safety, a safety that initially reacted to run. He had no chance on Davis’ wheel route.

“One area Smith improved in 2012 was in the pre-snap phase of the game. He was much better at the line of scrimmage checking and audibling.

“It will be interesting to see what Andy Reid does in Kansas City. Don’t be surprised if he turns Smith loose a little bit and features an up-tempo offense with an emphasis on quick throws. Remember, Alex Smith played for Urban Meyer at Utah.”

Other QB's that Jaworski has analyzed so far:

No. 32 Matt Flynn

No. 31 Jake Locker

No. 30 Kevin Kolb

No. 29 Chad Henne

No. 28 Mark Sanchez

No. 27 Christian Ponder

No. 26 Brandon Weeden

No. 25 Michael Vick

No. 24 Ryan Tannehill

No. 23 Carson Palmer

No. 22 Sam Bradford

No. 21 Josh Freeman

Fat Elvis · 07-09-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Dude, no one wants to watch the goddamned Saints on this board. No one.

Absolutely. And you are the Saints of Chiefs Planet.

Mr. Laz · 07-09-2013, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Way to miss the point. There is a difference between reckless and aggressive with the ball. Yeah, he's going to throw the ball downfield more, doesn't mean that it will lead to more turnovers. Damn, you are a horrible poster.

umm ... usually that's exactly what it means.

MagicHef · 07-09-2013, 09:32 AM

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Oh, for ****'s sake. You can be aggressive with the ball, while still being smart and picking teams apart with the short passing game. See Brady, Tom and Brees, Drew.

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Originally Posted by PGM

Way to miss the point. There is a difference between reckless and aggressive with the ball. Yeah, he's going to throw the ball downfield more, doesn't mean that it will lead to more turnovers. Damn, you are a horrible poster.

Come on.

Sandy Vagina · 07-09-2013, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Absolutely. And you are the Saints of Chiefs Planet.

+ 1 , DEFINITELY the lousiest shitbag on this site, thus far.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-09-2013, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Absolutely. And you are the Saints of Chiefs Planet.

Ouch, lol

Hammock Parties · 07-09-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

By the way, Brady threw 84 passes of 20+ yards. Brees, 80.

Smith threw 19.

No words for how pathetic that is.

duncan_idaho · 07-09-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Way to miss the point. There is a difference between reckless and aggressive with the ball. Yeah, he's going to throw the ball downfield more, doesn't mean that it will lead to more turnovers. Damn, you are a horrible poster.

Throwing the ball downfield more pretty much inevitably leads to more turnovers, unless you're throwing the ball right on the boundary (and making it an even lower percentage pass). Hard to argue with that.

Especially when all the talk is about getting Smith to be more aggressive and throw into tighter windows. He's avoided turnovers the past two years because he: 1) Takes a lot of sacks; 2) Scrambles for short gains a lot; 3) Checks down a lot; 4) Only throws to receivers who have clear separation (especially downfield - talk to Niners fans that don't love him so much they follow him to other boards about that).

If he starts throwing more passes downfield to receivers who aren't COMPLETELY (as in 2+ strides) wide open, two things will happen: 1) More big plays (assuming he has the arm strength and accuracy necessary); 2) More turnovers.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-09-2013, 09:58 AM

Not exactly. Look at Cassel. They didn't stretch the field, so it led to more turnovers in the intermediate passing game, because all the defenders were right in the area to scoop them up. Proper field spacing and making them respect the deep ball will open up the short, intermediate routes and fewer turnovers in minus territory. The ones downfield don't hurt as much.

Sandy Vagina · 07-09-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Throwing the ball downfield more pretty much inevitably leads to more turnovers, unless you're throwing the ball right on the boundary (and making it an even lower percentage pass). Hard to argue with that.

Turnovers should go up, but so will the flashy production that the fantasy footballers seem to cherish. Just so long as the ratio stays positive as smart, situational football dictates. No one seems to much mind when Brees throws multiple INTs, because his good production generally outweighs the bad.

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Especially when all the talk is about getting Smith to be more aggressive and throw into tighter windows. He's avoided turnovers the past two years because he: 1) Takes a lot of sacks; 2) Scrambles for short gains a lot; 3) Checks down a lot; 4) Only throws to receivers who have clear separation (especially downfield - talk to Niners fans that don't love him so much they follow him to other boards about that).

If he starts throwing more passes downfield to receivers who aren't COMPLETELY (as in 2+ strides) wide open, two things will happen: 1) More big plays (assuming he has the arm strength and accuracy necessary); 2) More turnovers.

None of what you are saying here is horribly inaccurate. People that are trying to be open minded need to appreciate that Alex became this way (lacking trust) as a necessity of survival. First, look at the cautious-minded coaches instructing him. Then, look back (if you are able) at the receivers running the routes and making the catch efforts. You will be underwhelmed. I agree that a QB needs to trust his targets... but there is no doubt that SF's receivers have done very little to earn that trust. Not all the time.. but many times, and more so in the distant past.. which happens to be when Alex was mostly developing.

Aside from a very rare circus catch, our receivers have never been particularly good at catching the ball away from their bodies or in tight coverage. Many passes on target have been bobbled for INTs or dropped. VD and Crabtree were surprisingly bad, but improved this in recent times due to hard work. Aside from them, there was no one special to really trust. You have to keep in mind when comparing to other good teams.. the 49ers were so often (all) learning a new scheme being implemented on the fly. If receivers are unsure of their routes? That can make a QB pretty damn bad/unsure of where the ball can end up.. so he may have to wait an extra split-second to see if his guys are doing what the play requires.

I can only pray that Bowe and a few others earn that trust quickly.. and that Reid can quickly ease Alex into giving them that trust and then see if it is sustainable.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-09-2013, 11:03 AM

Throwing downfield doesn't mean more INT's though. Poor spacing, decision making, and reckless play dictates that a lot more. Look at Rodgers, he throws down field a lot, but takes sacks when needed, and makes good decisions of when to take the shot.

Reid won't be asking him to go full Favre. He'll want him to take the 2-3 extra shots a game to a single covered Bowe or Avery on a Go or Deep Post. I really don't see what's so hard to understand about it.

MagicHef · 07-09-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Throwing downfield doesn't mean more INT's though. Poor spacing, decision making, and reckless play dictates that a lot more. Look at Rodgers, he throws down field a lot, but takes sacks when needed, and makes good decisions of when to take the shot.

Maybe you should stop using guys like Brady, Brees and Rodgers to describe Smith's play this coming season. It's only going to lead to heartbreak.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-09-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Maybe you should stop using guys like Brady, Brees and Rodgers to describe Smith's play this coming season. It's only going to lead to heartbreak.

You really are dense as ****

**ptlyon** · 07-09-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Maybe you should stop using guys like Brady, Brees and Rodgers to describe Smith's play this coming season. It's only going to lead to heartbreak.

If we had Aaron Rogers, we wouldn't constantly be having this discussion

Hammock Parties · 07-09-2013, 11:08 AM

It's pretty hilarious, though.

Homers are going HAM on Alex Smith improving his deep game.

Um, no.

Get ready for checkdowns. Lots of checkdowns.

**ptlyon** · 07-09-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

You really are dense as ****

Homer Rally Cry

07-05-2013, 11:21 PM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $962813	Jaworski rates Chiefs QB at No. 20 among NFL starters Jaworski rates Chiefs QB at No. 20 among NFL starters The Kansas City Star Former NFL quarterback-turned-broadcaster Ron Jaworski ranks new Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith No. 20 among the NFL's 32 starting quarterbacks. That's according to Jaworski's ratings on ESPN's MediaZone site, transcribed from his three-minute daily segments dubbed "Jaws' QB Countdown" on SportsCenter and NFL Live. Smith, of course, was acquired in a trade from San Francisco this offseason, and has yet to throw a pass in Kansas City (aside from OTAs, that is). Here are some excerpts from Jaworski's evaluation of Smith: “A year ago, Smith was coming off his best season in the NFL, having led the 49ers to the NFC Championship. This year, he’s the starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. It was a great move by (Chiefs coach) Andy Reid to acquire Smith. “The defining element of Smith’s play is efficiency. He executes the offense the way it’s designed, and he makes very few mistakes. Last season – for the second year in a row – he was exceptional on first down. In 2012 he led the NFL in first-down passing, with a quarterback rating of 119. Much of it came off play-action, or in the case of the 49ers, hard run-action out of base personnel. There was no better play-action quarterback last season than Smith. He had a quarterback rating of over 132. “Smith has been outstanding out of multiple tight end personnel over the last couple of seasons. No quarterback has thrown the ball more with three tight ends on the field. You don’t see that very often in today’s NFL. “This play was beautifully designed with all three tight ends to the same side. First, look at the impact of the run-action on the two linebackers and the safety. This was hard run-action. Then you see that Delanie Walker’s vertical route occupied the corner. That left Vernon Davis matched on a safety, a safety that initially reacted to run. He had no chance on Davis’ wheel route. “One area Smith improved in 2012 was in the pre-snap phase of the game. He was much better at the line of scrimmage checking and audibling. “It will be interesting to see what Andy Reid does in Kansas City. Don’t be surprised if he turns Smith loose a little bit and features an up-tempo offense with an emphasis on quick throws. Remember, Alex Smith played for Urban Meyer at Utah.” Other QB's that Jaworski has analyzed so far: No. 32 Matt Flynn No. 31 Jake Locker No. 30 Kevin Kolb No. 29 Chad Henne No. 28 Mark Sanchez No. 27 Christian Ponder No. 26 Brandon Weeden No. 25 Michael Vick No. 24 Ryan Tannehill No. 23 Carson Palmer No. 22 Sam Bradford No. 21 Josh Freeman
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Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $4028880	Not exactly. Look at Cassel. They didn't stretch the field, so it led to more turnovers in the intermediate passing game, because all the defenders were right in the area to scoop them up. Proper field spacing and making them respect the deep ball will open up the short, intermediate routes and fewer turnovers in minus territory. The ones downfield don't hurt as much. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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07-09-2013, 11:03 AM	#355
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $4028880	Throwing downfield doesn't mean more INT's though. Poor spacing, decision making, and reckless play dictates that a lot more. Look at Rodgers, he throws down field a lot, but takes sacks when needed, and makes good decisions of when to take the shot. Reid won't be asking him to go full Favre. He'll want him to take the 2-3 extra shots a game to a single covered Bowe or Avery on a Go or Deep Post. I really don't see what's so hard to understand about it. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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07-09-2013, 11:08 AM	#359
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4760478	It's pretty hilarious, though. Homers are going HAM on Alex Smith improving his deep game. Um, no. Get ready for checkdowns. Lots of checkdowns. __________________ Chiefs game films
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