Chiefs I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow - Page 11

RedThat · 12-19-2010, 03:44 PM

The kid deserves some respect.

After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership.

To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada

Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it.

I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too.

However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work

you sure as heck got my support.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

A PO win, but if it doesn't happen this year then it's not a failure.

Cassel isn't Bono but people want to make him out be.

He'll need a playoff win at some point, not necessarily this year, IMO What he cannot be is the reason we lose a playoff game.

I'd be willing to start at just playing like a franchise QB, (making big plays at crucial times, carrying the team should the running game fail, willing his team to win, etc) in a game against a very good opponent.

Just Passin' By · 12-19-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

In July no one realistically thought we could make the playoffs. That just goes to show everyone how unreasonable this kind of attitude is. We STILL might not make the playoffs if we lose one of the next two games...Does that suddenly nullify everything Cassel has accomplished this season? Your expectations of winning a playoff game are ridiculous now and were even more crazy back in July.....Why not just take it for what it is...A Huge HUGE improvement over the last few seasons and a big step in the right direction.....Something we have not been able to say as a team in a long ass time.

You're wasting your time. It seems that long years of losing have turned a chunk of the Chiefs posters here into drooling idiots. One of the Brees/E. Manning/Rodgers trio will likely miss the NFC playoffs this season. Rivers and P. Manning are both still in danger of missing the AFC playoffs. Using the logic of some on this board, that could mean that at least some those 5 QBs suck ass and aren't capable of taking their teams to the Super Bowl.

If only those teams had Brodie Croyle or Tyler Thigpen...

Micjones · 12-19-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

For me, the question of Cassel is like the question of whether Adam Sandler is a great, as in Oscar worthy, actor. Sure there's Punch Drunk Love and the like, but the question remains can someone who's given us Little Nicky and Grown Ups mature and give us solid fare for an extended period? Only time will tell.

That's a horrible analogy.
Sandler...Oscar-worthy? Come on.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

What?

Come. on.

Sorry to break it to you. Revis is going to dominate Bowe. Both the Jets and the Ravens are probably going to overpower our offensive line. The Jets and Ravens both have phenomenal offensive lines that are going to make it extremely difficult for us to rush the passer and control the line of scrimmage. And the Steelers and Pats...?

Let's not set ourselves up for too high of expectations. This is an ascending team that is not quite yet ready for primetime. We can pull off a playoff win if the opponent makes mistakes and we don't, if our opponent comes out unready and we do, if their QB or key player makes too many dumb mistakes, and by outcoaching the other team (probably a combo of all). But there's only so far you can stretch out a talent gap.

I want to win a playoff game too. But it's going to take a whale of a performance to do it. And it's not something I think is critical at this stage in the rebulid anyway.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

What?

Come. on.

No shit.

Are we a 9-5 team, or are we the "frauds" Clayton claims?

Jesus, nothing like wanting it both ways to suit your argument.

Marcellus · 12-19-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He'll need a playoff win at some point, not necessarily this year, IMO What he cannot be is the reason we lose a playoff game.

I'd be willing to start at just playing like a franchise QB, (making big plays at crucial times, carrying the team should the running game fail, willing his team to win, etc) in a game against a very good opponent.

I can agree with this.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He'll need a playoff win at some point, not necessarily this year, IMO What he cannot be is the reason we lose a playoff game.

I'd be willing to start at just playing like a franchise QB, (making big plays at crucial times, carrying the team should the running game fail, willing his team to win, etc) in a game against a very good opponent.

In complete agreement on that.

|Zach| · 12-19-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Sorry to break it to you. Revis is going to dominate Bowe. Both the Jets and the Ravens are probably going to overpower our offensive line. The Jets and Ravens both have phenomenal offensive lines that are going to make it extremely difficult for us to rush the passer and control the line of scrimmage. And the Steelers and Pats...?

Let's not set ourselves up for too high of expectations. This is an ascending team that is not quite yet ready for primetime. We can pull off a playoff win if the opponent makes mistakes and we don't, if our opponent comes out unready and we do, if their QB or key player makes too many dumb mistakes, and by outcoaching the other team (probably a combo of all). But there's only so far you can stretch out a talent gap.

I want to win a playoff game too. But it's going to take a whale of a performance to do it. And it's not something I think is critical at this stage in the rebulid anyway.

What does the Jets having Revis have to do with us being outmatched in every phase of the game like you said.

Have you seen the Jets play with your eyes?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-19-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He'll need a playoff win at some point, not necessarily this year, IMO What he cannot be is the reason we lose a playoff game.

I'd be willing to start at just playing like a franchise QB, (making big plays at crucial times, carrying the team should the running game fail, willing his team to win, etc) in a game against a very good opponent.

I think that over the past few weeks, Cassel is the main reason why the Chiefs are winning games.

Sure, the running game is excellent but he's making players out of guys like Verran Tucker and a washed up Chris Chambers. He's been hitting Bowe and Moeaki with consistency and they're usually at fault when the pass is incomplete. The INT today was in no way Cassel's fault.

It's painfully obvious that Brodie Croyle has no place on this football team. The Chiefs would have probably lost against San Diego last week with Cassel, but that was an entirely different looking football team than the one we saw today.

This team clearly respects Cassel and they play at a higher level when he's under center.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

The Jets are a collapse waiting to happen. LT is done, the defense is cracking and the QB is a liability.

I agree to a degree, though I don't think that it's coincidence that the QB play started sliding the same time LT started sliding.

And right now, they are going toe-to-toe with a damn good Pittsburgh team on the road. Which makes me think they are either a collapse waiting to happen, or a team that could get hot and be a nasty out in the playoffs

Hard team to judge.

**Baby Lee** · 12-19-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Oh really so you are saying the vast majority of people on CP who made posts in APril were saying that he would be a solid QB and have a great season and lead us to the playoffs? How about even POSITIVE like saying good things about him?..?

LOL...

Are you an idiot?

Edit: How about MAy, June...July? August? September?

You must be reading different posts than me because I don't recall hardly ANYONE making positive statements about the guy, or defending him..or saying 'hey lets give the kid a chance'

I am not saying a single one of those things. You have a really annoying trait of creating your opponents position out of whole cloth to make your debate easier.

Earthling · 12-19-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Depends your definition of a franchise QB.

My definition is someone you can win a SB with. There are several of those guys in the league, including guys like Rodgers, Ryan, etc.

I want a QB at that level, at the least. Doesn't have to be Elway or Manning.

This is a flawed definition or would you consider Dilfer to have been a franchise qb as well?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that over the past few weeks, Cassel is the main reason why the Chiefs are winning games.

Sure, the running game is excellent but he's making players out of guys like Verran Tucker and a washed up Chris Chambers. He's been hitting Bowe and Moeaki with consistency and they're usually at fault when the pass is incomplete. The INT today was in no way Cassel's fault.

It's painfully obvious that Brodie Croyle has no place on this football team. The Chiefs would have probably lost against San Diego last week with Cassel, but that was an entirely different looking football team than the one we saw today.

C'mon.

Yes, Mo ran the wrong route.

But that doesn't mean that Cassel still has to deliver the ball to an area with 5 blue jerseys in it.

Bad on Mo, bad on Cassel.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-19-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Hey Browneyes, you're fighting a strawman utterly of your own invention.

Plenty of people, myself EXPRESSLY, were of the mindset 'I pray daily that the lights come on, but I increasingly fear they won't.' And sure there were a number who were vocal at every instance that reinforced those fears, but that's just passionate fans watching the evidence mount. And the number to 'WANT' him to fail just to be right are miniscule, perhaps isolated to Mecca, certainly not the 'overwhelming majority

Look up 'straw man' in a basic critical thinking text book. Look at my post..Then look at the bolded part of YOUR post. I never said in my post anything about people WANTING him to fail...

You are the one making straw man arguments, but perhaps you are so stupid you don't even know what that means....Take 5 minutes, go back and read what I wrote...Then read your pile of feces.

All I said is people were saying a bunch of negative shit about Cassel....They ended up being wrong...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-19-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

C'mon.

Yes, Mo ran the wrong route.

But that doesn't mean that Cassel still has to deliver the ball to an area with 5 blue jerseys in it.

Bad on Mo, bad on Cassel.

That doesn't mean that the ball wouldn't have been completed.

Last year (and earlier this year) people were practically begging Cassel to throw the ball when receivers weren't "open". Had Moeaki not run the wrong route, that ball would have either been caught or incomplete.

12-19-2010, 03:44 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow The kid deserves some respect. After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership. To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it. I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too. However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work you sure as heck got my support.
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