Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 521

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**SAUTO** · 07-28-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

I don't give a **** how many innings he has pitched. When he has, he has not been better than Davis. Period.

He had a 4.98 era for us.

You are talking out of your ass
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Raiderhater · 07-28-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This is simply not true. Before last night's game, Shields and Davies had combined for .3 WAR. Myers was 1 WAR.

So Myers + 2 RLP = better than where we're at now.

Pfft, if you seriously believe that we would be where we are record wise right now with out the the pitching staff we have you are smoking dope.

**DeezNutz** · 07-28-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Pfft, if you seriously believe that we would be where we are record wise right now with out the the pitching staff we have you are smoking dope.

Davies and Shields are almost a wash. The numbers don't lie, so I don't need to resort to smoke when I have facts.

MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

He had a 4.98 era for us.

You are talking out of your ass
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No you are talking out of your ass. 4.98 era in 7 innings is not good. He has a 6.00 era in 18 innings this year for TB. That's not real good either.

**SAUTO** · 07-28-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

No you are talking out of your ass. 4.98 era in 7 innings is not good. He has a 6.00 era in 18 innings this year for TB. That's not real good either.

And Davis is better?

Nope worse even after the good game the other night.
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Raiderhater · 07-28-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Davies and Shields are almost a wash. The numbers don't lie, so I don't need to resort to smoke when I have facts.

And if not for the trade we run Hoch and Chen out all season. What would those numbers look like?

The numbers do not tell how things WOULD have played out had the trade not been made. Different circumstances often lead to different results. Who is to say that Myers would hit anything playing for the Royals? No one else on the team seems to be able to.

MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

And Davis is better?

Nope worse even after the good game the other night.
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Davis was a 1.5 war player last year. Odorizzi is a -0.2 war player so far. This has been a bad year so far for Davis, i will agree, but Davis has had success at this level. Davis also has a better arsenal of pitches.

I would trot Davis out there over Odorizzi any day.

**DeezNutz** · 07-28-2013, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

And if not for the trade we run Hoch and Chen out all season. What would those numbers look like?

The numbers do not tell how things WOULD have played out had the trade not been made. Different circumstances often lead to different results. Who is to say that Myers would hit anything playing for the Royals? No one else on the team seems to be able to.

We would still have been allowed to participate in FA, and the Shields money could have gone elsewhere. Again, we would need two pitchers to amount to 0 WAR to have been better with Myers from the start of the year and Dayton's son cut, who was a negative WAR player himself.

Myers didn't "develop" in TB. He was ready to go.

**SAUTO** · 07-28-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

Davis was a 1.5 war player last year. Odorizzi is a -0.2 war player so far. This has been a bad year so far for Davis, i will agree, but Davis has had success at this level. Davis also has a better arsenal of pitches.

I would trot Davis out there over Odorizzi any day.

he was a ****ing reliever last year.

you are talking about using him to start which he hasn't shown he's any better than Odorizzi at this point.
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MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

he was a ****ing reliever last year.

you are talking about using him to start which he hasn't shown he's any better than Odorizzi at this point.
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Odorizzi is a career reliever as well. What's your point?

**lewdog** · 07-28-2013, 03:31 PM

Hindsight is 50/50 when reviewing trades brahs!

Raiderhater · 07-28-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

We would still have been allowed to participate in FA, and the Shields money could have gone elsewhere. Again, we would need two pitchers to amount to 0 WAR to have been better with Myers from the start of the year and Dayton's son cut, who was a negative WAR player himself.

Myers didn't "develop" in TB. He was ready to go.

Still no garauntee that Myers does not become affected by the offensive woes that plague this team. And even if not, I still do not believe that he alone on offense would be enough to compliment Santana to keep us hovering around .500 at this point.

**SAUTO** · 07-28-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

Odorizzi is a career reliever as well. What's your point?

Where? He started for the royals last year. He started three out of four games for the rays this year.

might as well just leave it be now.
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Chris Meck · 07-28-2013, 03:35 PM

We're still talking about the Royals at the end of July. You can thank the starting pitching for that.

Maybe Myers is a stud, maybe not. If he's in right and Hoch is our staff ace again, we're on pace to lose 90-100 again.

Raiderhater · 07-28-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Still no garauntee that Myers does not become affected by the offensive woes that plague this team. And even if not, I still do not believe that he alone on offense would be enough to compliment Santana to keep us hovering around .500 at this point.

I would also add that even with Santana, we had no idea that he was going to pitch any where near the level he has. If you're focus is upgrading the pitching staff, he alone at the time was not going to be enough. More needed to be added, and so it was.

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