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Old 04-20-2018, 09:22 PM  
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Jeff Sessions is a superstar

Sessions continues to be the highest performing member of the Trump administration, even in the face of significant buffeting from above.

Not only has he initiated key reforms of the DOJ from the ravages and politicization of the Obama years, he also had the courage to do the right thing and recuse himself from the Russia probe, stood up to his boss when he tried to bully him into leaving, and now is doing what he can to try to protect its independence.

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WASHINGTON – Attorney General Jeff Sessions recently told the White House he might have to leave his job if President Donald Trump fired his deputy, Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to people familiar with the exchange.

Sessions made his position known in a phone call to White House counsel Donald McGahn last weekend, as Trump’s fury at Rosenstein peaked after the deputy attorney general approved the FBI’s raid April 9 on the president’s personal attorney Michael Cohen.

Sessions’s message to the White House, which has not previously been reported, underscores the political firestorm that Trump would invite should he attempt to remove the deputy attorney general. While Trump also has railed against Sessions at times, the protest resignation of an attorney general – which would be likely to incite other departures within the administration – would create a moment of profound crisis for the White House.

In the phone call with McGahn, Sessions wanted details of a meeting Trump and Rosenstein held at the White House on April 12, according to a person with knowledge of the call. Sessions expressed relief to learn that their meeting was largely cordial. Sessions said he would have had to consider leaving as the attorney general had Trump ousted Rosenstein, this person said.

Another person familiar with the exchange said Sessions did not intend to threaten the White House but rather wanted to convey the untenable position that Rosenstein’s firing would put him in.

A Justice Department spokesperson declined to comment.

Rosenstein’s status remains uncertain, but the pressure he is facing seemed to subside after last week.

Last summer, when it appeared Trump was going to fire Sessions or pressure him to resign, Republican lawmakers and conservative advocacy groups rallied to Sessions’s side and warned the president not to move against him.

Trump had told senior officials last week that he was considering firing Rosenstein, who was confirmed by the Senate with overwhelming bipartisan support last year. Since then, alumni of the Justice Department have rallied to Rosenstein’s defense.

As of Friday afternoon, more than 800 former Justice Department employees had signed an open letter calling on Congress to “swiftly and forcefully respond to protect the founding principles of our Republic and the rule of law” if Trump were to fire the deputy attorney general, special counsel Robert Mueller or other senior Justice Department officials. The group MoveOn.org has sought to organize nationwide protests if such an event were to occur.

Rosenstein, on behalf of the Justice Department, is set to argue a sentencing case, Chavez-Meza v. United States, before the Supreme Court on Monday. Appearing before the high court has long been a professional goal, people close to Rosenstein say.

A senior administration official said Sessions does not like the way Rosenstein has been treated by the president and had expressed such concerns for months. He has regularly sought guidance from the White House about Rosenstein’s standing with the president and asked about his interactions with Trump, this official said.

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/...departure-too/
Cheers for the most successful member of the Trump admin thus far.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:01 PM   #91
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I know it’s painful, patt, but you’ll survive... as long as he doesn’t call you a snowflake. That would really sting.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:19 PM   #92
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:37 PM   #93
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The republican party saw record numbers of newly minted republicans in the run-up to 2016, and a great many of them were former democrats... while the hold your nose/anyone but Hillary crowd was surely sizable, you're discounting the appeal of his message too much

All of those aforementioned new republicans could've voted Trump without doing that

As for his conservative bona fides, it only fair to judge him on what he has done while in office, and by that measure he has been quite conservative... the only issue thats arguable is his stance on trade, and even that is hotly debated among genuine conservatives

It seems to me he has bent over backwards trying to please the Cochises and Dongers of the world, but it sure hasnt done him any good with you
And yet Trump still lost the EV by millions. That should give you pause. Does it?

I think Trump has done a decent job of pretending to be a conservative when it suits him, yes.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:54 PM   #94
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And yet Trump still lost the EV by millions. That should give you pause. Does it?

I think Trump has done a decent job of pretending to be a conservative when it suits him, yes.

Did you mean - Trump lost the PV?

Outside of California, Trump outdistanced Hillary by 1.41 million votes.

- Recent developments reported suggests millions of illegal immigrants voted in the 2016 presidential election - in California and elsewhere.

- How many illegals due you think effected the PV in the election?
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Old 04-21-2018, 08:00 PM   #95
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Sure, I think Rubio would have stomped Clinton (and won the PV) and been a more conservative POTUS than your boy. Sure. But. the inmates got out.
My boy? You see to have some memory issues. How old are you anyway?
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Old 04-21-2018, 08:26 PM   #96
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Sure, I think Rubio would have stomped Clinton (and won the PV) and been a more conservative POTUS than your boy. Sure. But. the inmates got out.
Rubio? The guy who couldn't even win his own home state? Are you ****ing serious?
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:06 PM   #97
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I know it’s painful, patt, but you’ll survive... as long as he doesn’t call you a snowflake. That would really sting.
I normally call him a shill, as I don't really like the term "cuck" and "shill is generally more appropriate for Pat, but it fit him this time, given that he decided going back to the "superstar" well was a good idea after the way that choice of words went up in flames with regards to Ryan.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:35 PM   #98
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And yet Trump still lost the EV by millions.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:39 PM   #99
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I've railed against Trump for signing the omnibus too. This has nothing to do with any of that, this has to do with Sessions not going on the attack against all people from the Obama administration. And I mean ruthlessly! From Barry to Hillary to Bill to Lynch to Comey to Mueller, to Holder, to to Learner, to *.*, he needs to have all of them under investigation. Keep up dude, this has nothing to do with Trump, it has everything to do with not digging into every liberal in D.C.!
Yep, and Comey should be the initial thread that unravels all the way to Barry but it won't because the GOP have no cajones to go after any of them. They will just be posturing cowards sad to say !!
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:07 PM   #100
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Did you mean - Trump lost the PV?

Outside of California, Trump outdistanced Hillary by 1.41 million votes.
California has a higher population and larger economy than Canada. Why exactly are you excluding them? Just to cherry pick numbers for Trump?

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- Recent developments reported suggests millions of illegal immigrants voted in the 2016 presidential election - in California and elsewhere.

- How many illegals due you think effected the PV in the election?
You believe millions voted illegaly based on complete nonsense. The GOP would love nothing more than to find their poster boy for this issue, yet they can't find one and I haven't heard of a single conviction for voter fraud in the 2016 election. Why do you guys have to lie about something that is so easy to fact check?
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:12 PM   #101
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And yet Trump still lost the EV by millions. That should give you pause. Does it?
No pauses or ****s given, two million city dwellers mixed with several hundred thousand illegal voters means nothing to me... the founding fathers in their wisdom, knew well what the 'popular vote' was worth

Does the result of the election, or the Electoral College itself give you any reason for pause?
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:17 PM   #102
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Neat. I never did. He was just an easily-sold fool. I hope he comes back, though.
I do too. As abrasive as his style could be, he still was probably the brains of that outfit here on CP. I think he was motivated by sincere belief in the issues like immigration and draining the swamp, and he didn't give Trump a pass when he has settled into being a JAG president.

Or, maybe he saw the writing on the wall about the Mueller thing, or about 2020. Who knows. But he was about the only Trumpster who I respected as being principled around here and his divorce from the Trumpian movement didn't hurt it at all.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:20 PM   #103
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No pauses or ****s given, two million city dwellers mixed with several hundred thousand illegal voters means nothing to me... the founding fathers in their wisdom, knew well what the 'popular vote' was worth

Does the result of the election, or the Electoral College itself give you any reason for pause?
The Electoral College was a system designed to work in the 1700's. It's also why we still vote on Tuesdays. The only reason we still have it is because the Republican party can't win the Presidency in any other fashion and they can pretend to respect the infinite wisdom of the founding fathers (while letting Trump shit all over the Democratic norms they built) in the process.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:20 PM   #104
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I suspect that it's a riff on my Paul Ryan thread. He probably wanted to draw the same Ruinos out who were attracted by their hatred of Ryan to my thread.
I was riffing on your Paul Ryan thread. Here is another person that the kook fringe has made into some kind of boogeyman, who is actually one of Trump's best friends in Washington. If only he could see it.
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I do too. As abrasive as his style could be, he still was probably the brains of that outfit here on CP. I think he was motivated by sincere belief in the issues like immigration and draining the swamp, and he didn't give Trump a pass when he has settled into being a JAG president.

Or, maybe he saw the writing on the wall about the Mueller thing, or about 2020. Who knows. But he was about the only Trumpster who I respected as being principled around here and his divorce from the Trumpian movement didn't hurt it at all.
I was actually very surprised by PB turning on Trump. He went full 'whataboutism' in every thread and didn't seem to have any principles that I could see. I thought some of these other guys would turn on Trump well before he did.
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