If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

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A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Duuuuuuuuuuuude.

At any given point in time, you can only choose from the options that are available to you. You can throw a temper tantrum because there's no Luck/RG3 in the draft, but it doesn't change the fact that there just wasn't even a Matt Ryan or a Joe Flacco. THE REST OF THE NFL CONFIRMED IT. Wanting it desperately to be so doesn't change the reality.

Reid/Dorsey took the best option that was available. Alex Smith was the best option out of a pool that included Kolb and Flynn...and nothing.

This isn't Madden 2013, they can't put it on a season simulator and just tank the year and try again next year. It's a business, they're paid to win, and they're going to try like hell to do so.

This was what was available. You can only deal in the realities.

You are dead on.

The Chiefs are going with a win-now mentality by taking the best free agent QB available.

They have rejected the win-big strategy of signing the cheapest bum at QB they could, while building through the draft and gritting out losing seasons while waiting for a franchise QB prospect to come to you in the draft.

This is why the Chiefs will never win-big. They chose instant gratification over long-term success.

I know it is a business and winning puts butts in the seats, but nothing says Cha-Ching like winning a championship or being a multiple-year contender.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

According to Mike Mayock, any starting QB in the NFL should make that throw every single time, or he won't bang the table for him.

He is right. Every starting QB has to make that throw. Alex won't even take the throw.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

You are dead on.

The Chiefs are going with a win-now mentality by taking the best free agent QB available.

They have rejected the win-big strategy of signing the cheapest bum at QB they could, while building through the draft and gritting out losing seasons while waiting for a franchise QB prospect to come to you in the draft.

This is why the Chiefs will never win-big. They chose instant gratification over long-term success.

I know it is a business and winning puts butts in the seats, but nothing says Cha-Ching like winning a championship or being a multiple-year contender.

This.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

He is right. Every starting QB has to make that throw. Alex won't even take the throw.

So, Smith shouldn't start in the league?

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

You are dead on.

The Chiefs are going with a win-now mentality by taking the best free agent QB available.

They have rejected the win-big strategy of signing the cheapest bum at QB they could, while building through the draft and gritting out losing seasons while waiting for a franchise QB prospect to come to you in the draft.

This is why the Chiefs will never win-big. They chose instant gratification over long-term success.

I know it is a business and winning puts butts in the seats, but nothing says Cha-Ching like winning a championship or being a multiple-year contender.

What's the win big scenario in this years draft?

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I think you and others will be surprised. Some of what you say is true.... or I should say... has been true. We are dealing with extents here though. No organization would trade what was traded to get Alex, if what you claim is true to the extent you seem to be claiming. Harbaugh wouldn't have continued to start Alex in 2012 if all those 2011 quotes were quite as accurate as you want to make them. Or are you then saying both Harbaugh and Reid are morons?

Jim Harbaugh is no moron. Alex Smith was only a placeholder for Kaepernick from day 1. The instant Kaepernick was ready, Alex was expendable.

Andy Reid is no moron. He is trying to keep the owner happy. That keeps him in his job. That buys him time to find a franchise QB later. If he had started a rookie QB and failed to give the owner his minimum wins, then he is fired and game over.

Jim Harbaugh had the luxury of immediate trust and 5 years to win a super bowl.

Andy Reid isn't getting that trust from the owner, who is demanding immediate gratification in lieu of long term success.

It is apples and oranges, but it ends the same eventually -- Alex Smith is expendable.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Jim Harbaugh is no moron. Alex Smith was only a placeholder for Kaepernick from day 1. The instant Kaepernick was ready, Alex was expendable.

Andy Reid is no moron. He is trying to keep the owner happy. That keeps him in his job. That buys him time to find a franchise QB later. If he had started a rookie QB and failed to give the owner his minimum wins, then he is fired and game over.

Jim Harbaugh had the luxury of immediate trust and 5 years to win a super bowl.

Andy Reid isn't getting that trust from the owner, who is demanding immediate gratification in lieu of long term success.

It is apples and oranges, but it ends the same eventually -- Alex Smith is expendable.

I have wondered this since last year, even before I knew Smith was coming here. If Smith hadn't have gotten injured, would JH have replaced him anyway? It would've been difficult, Smith and the team seemed to be rolling along. Would Smith have stayed the starter the whole season baring a big collapse?

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Messier

So, Smith shouldn't start in the league?

Alex is a top 20 QB in the NFL. All QBs have some weakness. Favre would kill you with to much risk at the critical time.

Alex has his weaknesses and they limit him to mediocrity.

Alex Smith should be a starting QB in the NFL. He is far too good to be a back-up QB. But he is a mid-tier starting QB with some unique weaknesses. The example Cossell gave was of a unique weakness in Alex that keeps him solidly in the bottom half of all QBs.

Alex is a very good QB. He is a master of the short game, is remarkably intelligent, and still quite athletic. He just has key weaknesses that hold him down to being a bottom half NFL QB.

There is no shame in that. I have enormous respect to every starting QB in the NFL, as I do for every player to ever don a set of pads. They all have achieved a level of success in their craft that few humans on earth ever achieve.

But Alex will never be elite or anything close to that. He will never exceed mediocrity due to his cautious and over-analytical nature.

That is your QB. He can manage a well-coached top roster to a super bowl win but he can't put a team on his shoulders and lead them to one.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Messier

I have wondered this since last year, even before I knew Smith was coming here. If Smith hadn't have gotten injured, would JH have replaced him anyway? It would've been difficult, Smith and the team seemed to be rolling along. Would Smith have stayed the starter the whole season baring a big collapse?

Impossible to say.

All I know is that Kaepernick was superhuman in practices. Harbaugh was chomping at the bit to see if that translated to actual game play and was looking for ANY opportunity to play Kaepernick beyond the 5-10 WildKeap plays he was playing each game.

Kaepernick played lights out vs. Bears on Monday Night Football, and the rest is history.

So nobody knows if Alex would have remained starter for the duration of 2012. The Offensive Coordinator stated they had no plan to start Kaepernick pre-Alex concussion. I don't believe anything these guys say in public without a reality check, and even then who is to say they couldn't change their minds?

I remain convinced that Harbaugh would have used any pretext at all to start Kaepernick. The concussion just proved to be a timely excuse.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

You are dead on.

The Chiefs are going with a win-now mentality by taking the best free agent QB available.

They have rejected the win-big strategy of signing the cheapest bum at QB they could, while building through the draft and gritting out losing seasons while waiting for a franchise QB prospect to come to you in the draft.

This is why the Chiefs will never win-big. They chose instant gratification over long-term success.

I know it is a business and winning puts butts in the seats, but nothing says Cha-Ching like winning a championship or being a multiple-year contender.

Yeah, no team can possibly find a QB they can win big with outside the top 10 picks in the first round.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Messier

What's the win big scenario in this years draft?

Don't trade your #34 2013 pick and your #50-60 2014 pick away for short term gain. You keep those picks and build and build with them while you suffer with a crummy QB you think has upside potential that either other teams missed seeing, or that has potential only your coaching can bring out -- other teams can't develop the guy.

Matt Flynn was a win-big type of move for the Raiders in that they paid nothing for the chance to see if a 7th rounder coached up by Mike McCarthy, studying and practicing next to Aaron Rodgers, can be serviceable.

The key is that they paid nothing for him, so they can still use their top picks to build a future win-big team if they draft wisely.

The Chiefs went with win-now instant gratification.

The Raiders went with a win-big-later solution at the likely cost of sucking for now and remaining viable for high future draft picks where elite QB prospects are found, with a small real chance that Matt Flynn becomes the next Tom Brady. I don't mean elite like Brady, I just mean a 7th rounder who plays for years as a starting QB. I was referencing Brady's 6th round status, not comparing Flynn's lower potential to Brady's elite status.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Alex is a top 20 QB in the NFL. All QBs have some weakness. Favre would kill you with to much risk at the critical time.

Alex has his weaknesses and they limit him to mediocrity.

Alex Smith should be a starting QB in the NFL. He is far too good to be a back-up QB. But he is a mid-tier starting QB with some unique weaknesses. The example Cossell gave was of a unique weakness in Alex that keeps him solidly in the bottom half of all QBs.

Alex is a very good QB. He is a master of the short game, is remarkably intelligent, and still quite athletic. He just has key weaknesses that hold him down to being a bottom half NFL QB.

There is no shame in that. I have enormous respect to every starting QB in the NFL, as I do for every player to ever don a set of pads. They all have achieved a level of success in their craft that few humans on earth ever achieve.

But Alex will never be elite or anything close to that. He will never exceed mediocrity due to his cautious and over-analytical nature.

That is your QB. He can manage a well-coached top roster to a super bowl win but he can't put a team on his shoulders and lead them to one.

Cool.. nice post. I was beginning to suspect you were just another Alex hater with some of the recent posts, but glad to see otherwise. I don't expect people to be claiming Alex is a top 10 quarterback... but some act as if he's not even worthy of starting. Oh wellz...

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Yeah, no team can possibly find a QB they can win big with outside the top 10 picks in the first round.

Russell Wilson says "hi".

Screw you. You can't put words in my mouth.

I was talking strictly about wasting 2- 2nd round picks the Chiefs need to build a future win-big team.

Kaepernick was drafted #36 overall. That shows how stupid your comment was to imply I don't think elite QBs can be drafted later than 10th overall.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Cool.. nice post. I was beginning to suspect you were just another Alex hater with some of the recent posts, but glad to see otherwise. I don't expect people to be claiming Alex is a top 10 quarterback... but some act as if he's not even worthy of starting. Oh wellz...

I still don't see why you have to post under multiple user names Snoopy. It gives the Chiefs fans the false impression that there are 5-6 guys here constantly talking up Alex when it is just you 95% of the time, and a couple of other Alexsexuals maybe 5% of the time.

Just use your Alex Smith Fan name and take your hits. Well now Maverick95179 or whatever. You don't need multiple user names.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I still don't see why you have to post under multiple user names Snoopy. It gives the Chiefs fans the false impression that there are 5-6 guys here constantly talking up Alex when it is just you 95% of the time, and a couple of other Alexsexuals maybe 5% of the time.

Just use your Alex Smith Fan name and take your hits. Well now Maverick95179 or whatever. You don't need multiple user names.

Not sure if serious, but to be honest, I wouldn't even know how to go about using different usernames. I don't do that. But if you are mocking the accusers that always suggest such things, then I'll laugh right along with you.