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Old 10-10-2018, 06:35 PM  
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https://www.npr.org/2018/10/10/65626...ing-journalist

Trump Administration Presses Saudis For Information On Missing Journalist

More than a week has passed since Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi vanished after visiting the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul. Turkish authorities are telling journalists what they think happened, citing released video footage: that Khashoggi was targeted and murdered.

President Trump said Wednesday that he has spoken to the Saudi government "at the highest levels" about the situation.

"We cannot let this happen to reporters, to anybody. And we're going to get to the bottom of it," Trump said. He said the first lady's office was making arrangements to bring Khashoggi's fiancée, Turkish national Hatice Cengiz, to the White House.

In the days since Khashoggi disappeared, there have been few signs that the Trump administration was putting pressure on Riyadh to explain what had happened.

But in a statement Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that National Security Adviser John Bolton and Trump adviser Jared Kushner spoke to Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman yesterday about the matter. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also spoke with the crown prince "to reiterate the United States' request for information," Sanders said.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that before Khashoggi disappeared, U.S. intelligence had intercepted communications in which the Saudis had been discussing a plot to abduct him. Khashoggi has been a contributing writer for The Post.

But on Wednesday, the State Department said the U.S. had no advance knowledge of Khashoggi's disappearance.

Turkish President Recep TayI wholeheartedly agree with this post, but I'm unable to contribute to the conversation in any meaningful way Erdogan has not directly accused Saudi Arabia of disappearing Khashoggi. He said if they have footage of Khashoggi leaving the consulate, they should release it, the Associated Press reports. Meanwhile, a newspaper close to Erdogan published the names and photographs of 15 Saudi men whom it said were sent to Istanbul to kill Khashoggi.

The version of events described by Turkish authorities is grisly. One Turkish security official told The New York Times that within two hours of arriving at the consulate, Khashoggi had been killed and dismembered with a bone saw that the Saudi team had brought. He compared the killing to the movie Pulp Fiction.

The Post obtained a series of surveillance video clips that purport to show movements involved in the killing or abduction of Khashoggi: the journalist entering the consulate; a black Mercedes leaving the consulate and then arriving at the consul general's house; Cengiz, his fiancée, pacing outside the consulate as she makes phone calls; the Saudi men leaving an Istanbul hotel and getting on planes at the airport. The Post notes that the clips have inconsistent time stamps at one point, are too blurry to make out key license plate numbers and are heavily edited throughout.

Khashoggi is a resident of the United States and has been living in Washington, D.C. The journalist is the former editor-in-chief of a Saudi newspaper and was an adviser to Saudi government officials. Khashoggi had written columns critical of the Saudi government in The Post in the past year.
In an op-ed published in The Post on Tuesday, Khashoggi's fiancée implored Trump and the first lady to become involved in the search for answers.

"I also urge Saudi Arabia, especially King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to show the same level of sensitivity and release CCTV footage from the consulate," Cengiz wrote. "Although this incident could potentially fuel a political crisis between the two nations, let us not lose sight of the human aspect of what happened. Jamal is a valuable person, an exemplary thinker and a courageous man who has been fighting for his principles."
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:18 PM   #46
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So, carry on....no harm, no foul.

Let’s condone murder., because Trump, because $$$, because Jared, because save face.

Got it.
Yeah! Let’s go to war over it!




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Old 10-11-2018, 10:27 PM   #47
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To be fair if we weren't going to criticize the Saudi's for 9/11 then criticizing them now for one journalist doesn't seem right.
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:29 PM   #48
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I agree with President Trump. It's ugly, but it's not worth trashing our relationship over.
That might be. The media is, after all, the enemy of the people.

But the Sauds have given us plenty of other reasons over the years to trash our relationship.

In the unlikely event that R senators do something more than talk a little bit of shit for a news cycle, great.
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Old 10-12-2018, 12:23 AM   #49
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That might be. The media is, after all, the enemy of the people.

But the Sauds have given us plenty of other reasons over the years to trash our relationship.

In the unlikely event that R senators do something more than talk a little bit of shit for a news cycle, great.
who controls the media?
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Old 10-12-2018, 12:31 AM   #50
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**** off, red neck. You know you love the Saudis because your hero the Orange Moran loves them.

Don't ever talk to me about hating America. The Orange Moron is doing his level best to destroy America.
I know it's not 1983 anymore, but when I lived there I found Saudi's to be loving, curious, and welcoming people. And most generous with their hash. We had countless dinners in Saudi homes and they are the best encounters I have ever, ever had.

Gov't does not equal people (see Iran).
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Old 10-12-2018, 01:16 AM   #51
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That might be. The media is, after all, the enemy of the people.

But the Sauds have given us plenty of other reasons over the years to trash our relationship.

In the unlikely event that R senators do something more than talk a little bit of shit for a news cycle, great.
I remember when Obama completely cut off U.S. relations with the Sauds, stood firm, and really reined them in.


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Old 10-12-2018, 05:41 AM   #52
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I remember when Obama completely cut off U.S. relations with the Sauds, stood firm, and really reined them in.


That was the old King days. Trumps down with the new King, Crown Prince, and the Futuristic city of NEOM, Saudi Arabia

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Old 10-12-2018, 07:57 AM   #53
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How about a good ol' Saudi proverb, kids?

"A thousand enemies outside the house are better than one within."

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Old 10-12-2018, 08:05 AM   #54
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Inaction or invasion....? JFC
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Old 10-12-2018, 08:08 AM   #55
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Inaction or invasion....? JFC
As if inaction is the only way to avoid trashing the relationship.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:05 PM   #56
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Are you seriously under the impression that the US's subservience and compliance with the Saudis started with TRUMP?

Is this mother****er serious? Obama was bowing to them. Bush was in their pocket. They own a ridiculous amount of American ports. Their wealth makes the wealthiest person in the west look like a broke ass hobo.

What PLANET are you on with this 'Trump is behind US saudi support!"

NO diggle, our dependency of foreign oil, the immense wealth of the saudis, and the long standing corruption within the government is the source of this saudi apologetic norm.

Stop with with that nonsense right now. Yes, **** Trump for not standing up to the Saudis. Then again, for all I know the goddamn turks (who have their own recent history of murdering journalists) are just framing this up. I wouldn't know. I know you're all about 'listen and believe, any accusation is invariably true!" now, but can we remember that's a retarded way to think? Credulity isn't a virtue. Skepticism is.
I didn’t say Trump started it. But he has continued it.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:09 PM   #57
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We can't risk nuclear war every time a government wants to wipe out one of their own.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:32 PM   #58
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Who cares

We can't risk nuclear war every time a government wants to wipe out one of their own.
Saudis don’t have nukes, and this is not about war.
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Saudis don’t have nukes, and this is not about war.
Remember when everyone threw a fit about Russia trying to murder one of their spies?

McCain and the rest of the foreign policy morons shouted from the rooftops, 'Russia is our enemy!'

Nothing ended up happening and no one cares today.

The belief that the US should show any kind of hostility over the Saudis taking out one of their own is moronic.
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