Players making squad for special teams play

**ChiefGator** · 08-22-2005, 06:11 PM

I keep reading about people making the squad for special teams play. And I keep thinking, we seem to have ALOT of special teams players.

1) Gammon.. I know, i know.. the best at what he does. But contributes in no other way.. er.. fourth TE?

2) Hall.. I know, i know.. the best at what he does. Not that great of a receiver, except for a couple big plays every now and then.

3) Stills

4) Bo

5) Grigsby

It just seems like these are ALOT of players just for Special Teams. Am I wrong?

Mark

jidar · 08-22-2005, 06:18 PM

If we cut Gammon, then the first time we blow a game due to a bad snap (which will happen), we will WISH we still had him.

The rest bring more than just ST to the table.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 08-22-2005, 06:47 PM

I think Bo will contribute to the passing game

Katipan · 08-22-2005, 06:48 PM

Boomer was the first one down there for at least the first 2 kick offs, Saturday.

milkman · 08-22-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar

If we cut Gammon, then the first time we blow a game due to a bad snap (which will happen), we will WISH we still had him.

The rest bring more than just ST to the table.

I agree with you that Boe and Hall do bring something more than STs to the table, even if, in Hall's case definitely, and Boe's possibly, what they bring is very limited.

In Stills case, unless he really flourishes at LB, he brings absolutely nothing else.

He, as a DE, has been a liability against the run, and as a "pass rush specialist" has 8 sacks in 5 years.
That is, for all intents and purposes, nothing.

However, he is a STs stud, and with our STs play falling inot the category of something less spectacular, cutting him, at this time, is not a practical option.

I actually have hope he does turn out to be a solid B/U LB.
It really seems like a more natural position for him, to me.

**ChiefGator** · 08-22-2005, 07:27 PM

Yeah, I think it is Stills that really starts to bother me. He's the third player who basically only contributes in special teams. Boomer is a rookie, so that's where rookie LB's often sit.

Just seems like we have some luxuries on special teams, but maybe a little short elsewhere.

That said, I guess we aren't cutting any all-pros either.. Our scrap heap ain't gonna be that good.

Coach · 08-22-2005, 07:28 PM

Ronnie Cruz might make it as a special teamer as well.

philfree · 08-22-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Ronnie Cruz might make it as a special teamer as well.

Yeah and I'd rather keep Johnaton McKenzie Smith as our 3rd RB. If we have RB injuries like we did lst year we'll need someone who can run the rock. That's Smith IMO. He can play STs too! Of course of Holcombe wasn't injured he'd prolly be a shoe in and save us a roster spot.

PhilFree

Uatu · 08-22-2005, 07:50 PM

Do you remember the last time we had a bad snap?

Neither do I. Let's keep it that way.

A bad snap can easily lose a game for you. Does anyone think Ronnie Cruz is going to win any games for us? Is even the vaunted Rich Scanlon going to win any?

Hell I'd rather have Gammon on the roster than Scan, at this point.

**morphius** · 08-22-2005, 07:56 PM

Bo and Hall add something to the passing game, just because they are not starters does not mean that they don't bring something other then ST to the game. Though Bo needs to prove to me that he is what people say he is.

Boomer is being trained as the backup MLB with hopes he can compete for the starting position or take over, that really a need on any team. Plus he has that desire to play the game and hit people that you want the MLB to have, now he just has to keep improving.

tk13 · 08-22-2005, 07:59 PM

Mitch Holthus said during the AZ game that last week during practice, Gammon had a bad punt snap. Said he'd never seen that happen before, couldn't believe he did it.

One guy who I always like to support for ST play is William Bartee. He couldn't cover Vermeil running down the sideline, but he's fast and a very solid tackler. I hope he makes the squad as a backup safety, which it seems like he will.

Consistent1 · 08-25-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius

Bo and Hall add something to the passing game, just because they are not starters does not mean that they don't bring something other then ST to the game. Though Bo needs to prove to me that he is what people say he is.

Boomer is being trained as the backup MLB with hopes he can compete for the starting position or take over, that really a need on any team. Plus he has that desire to play the game and hit people that you want the MLB to have, now he just has to keep improving.

That is more on the money regarding Boomer than what I have seen people saying lately. It seems like everyone hated Kawika up until the last couple weeks, and the media got the fans all pumped up on Boomer. Boomer has done well with the media to a point, but let's not forget the media has done well WITH HIM. Works both ways and coming from a 1-AA school that isn't very competitive at this point, you can't expect Zach Thomas within a month. I think some people sort of expected him to really compete with Mitchell, and that isn't realistic. However, if you look at his speed and strength combination, with a year's experience on the team, he will be in the mix next year.

I see people saying he will be cut, etc...and that may well be the case, I don't know. I really hope he makes the team and gets a year's experience under his belt on ST's and maybe a little mop up duty here and there. The guy won't dissapoint you next year, I will bet on that. I just hope he doesn't end up playing in Europe or some bullshit like that. That would be detrimental to his strength and conditioning coming back next year. He will be familiar with the program, no school commitments, etc...and the boy will work his ass off. I really hope he makes it, he is a solid citizen.

jspchief · 08-25-2005, 08:49 PM

Yea Gammon is the best at what he does.

Just look at all the other teams that lose all those games because they don't have Gammon.

jspchief · 08-25-2005, 08:53 PM

Has anyone actually watched Boomer on special teams? He's not exactly tearing it up.

Opening kick-off of both games so far, he's been the first guy down there, only to get knocked on his ass by the wedge, without remotely busting it or slowing it down.

He needs to do something about his technique. So far all he's accomplishing is shortening his lifespan, while giving the opponent's STs a big hit to get excited about.

tk13 · 08-25-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Yea Gammon is the best at what he does.

Just look at all the other teams that lose all those games because they don't have Gammon.

Are you serious? You don't think teams have lost games over a bad snap? Why don't you ask Giants fans about that...

08-22-2005, 06:11 PM
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $7762956	Players making squad for special teams play I keep reading about people making the squad for special teams play. And I keep thinking, we seem to have ALOT of special teams players. 1) Gammon.. I know, i know.. the best at what he does. But contributes in no other way.. er.. fourth TE? 2) Hall.. I know, i know.. the best at what he does. Not that great of a receiver, except for a couple big plays every now and then. 3) Stills 4) Bo 5) Grigsby It just seems like these are ALOT of players just for Special Teams. Am I wrong? Mark
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ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $7762956	Yeah, I think it is Stills that really starts to bother me. He's the third player who basically only contributes in special teams. Boomer is a rookie, so that's where rookie LB's often sit. Just seems like we have some luxuries on special teams, but maybe a little short elsewhere. That said, I guess we aren't cutting any all-pros either.. Our scrap heap ain't gonna be that good. __________________ - Mark
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morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6965027	Bo and Hall add something to the passing game, just because they are not starters does not mean that they don't bring something other then ST to the game. Though Bo needs to prove to me that he is what people say he is. Boomer is being trained as the backup MLB with hopes he can compete for the starting position or take over, that really a need on any team. Plus he has that desire to play the game and hit people that you want the MLB to have, now he just has to keep improving.
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08-22-2005, 07:59 PM	#11
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2022500	Mitch Holthus said during the AZ game that last week during practice, Gammon had a bad punt snap. Said he'd never seen that happen before, couldn't believe he did it. One guy who I always like to support for ST play is William Bartee. He couldn't cover Vermeil running down the sideline, but he's fast and a very solid tackler. I hope he makes the squad as a backup safety, which it seems like he will.
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08-25-2005, 08:53 PM	#14
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Has anyone actually watched Boomer on special teams? He's not exactly tearing it up. Opening kick-off of both games so far, he's been the first guy down there, only to get knocked on his ass by the wedge, without remotely busting it or slowing it down. He needs to do something about his technique. So far all he's accomplishing is shortening his lifespan, while giving the opponent's STs a big hit to get excited about. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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