Now that the season is over, it's time to bench Wesley... - Page 2

htismaqe · 10-15-2006, 06:21 PM

Dumbass basically spotted them 14 points.

Time to let Pollard learn on the job...

htismaqe · 10-15-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

The screwup on the touchdown to Ward where no one covered him in the end zone was either Ty Law's or Jarrad Page's fault. My money would be on Page.

The touchdown where the guy was wide open and then Page ran up and bumped into the guy with his arms at his side was Page's fault. I'm not sure who blew the coverage, but Page would've easily made the tackle if he had wrapped up. I'm worried that Page may have those Barbie arms that don't bend at the elbows.

The touchdown to Ward happened when the inside man (TE maybe?) ran a quick in and Wesley WENT WITH HIM. Law has outside responsibility.

The poor tackling by Page was Page's fault. The guy was wide open because Wesley bit on the play fake and wasn't in his zone.

This is Cover 2 ZONE. Wesley is supposed to play the backside, behind Law. Both plays happened because Wesley chased motion or a fake instead of staying in his zone.

htismaqe · 10-15-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

How did he spot them 14 points?

Law is responsible for the first 7.

The second one I couldn't tell who was supposed to be covering the slot. Was it Wesley? If so, blame Gunther. Why would you put a safety one-on-one with a WR?

This cover 2 ZONE. Wesley was responsible for both plays because he didn't stay in his zone.

**Bob Dole** · 10-15-2006, 06:39 PM

Bob Dole blames Eric Warfield.

**Rain Man** · 10-15-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The touchdown to Ward happened when the inside man (TE maybe?) ran a quick in and Wesley WENT WITH HIM. Law has outside responsibility.

The poor tackling by Page was Page's fault. The guy was wide open because Wesley bit on the play fake and wasn't in his zone.

This is Cover 2 ZONE. Wesley is supposed to play the backside, behind Law. Both plays happened because Wesley chased motion or a fake instead of staying in his zone.

I'd like to see a replay of it, because that guy was so wide open I'd wonder if Wesley was assigned somewhere else or blitzing or something. Even if he had bit, he still would've been within 20 yards, I would think.

Deberg_1990 · 10-15-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The touchdown to Ward happened when the inside man (TE maybe?) ran a quick in and Wesley WENT WITH HIM. Law has outside responsibility.

The poor tackling by Page was Page's fault. The guy was wide open because Wesley bit on the play fake and wasn't in his zone.

This is Cover 2 ZONE. Wesley is supposed to play the backside, behind Law. Both plays happened because Wesley chased motion or a fake instead of staying in his zone.

But is all this correctable as Herm loves to say?? I highy doubt it with current personel

htismaqe · 10-15-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'd like to see a replay of it, because that guy was so wide open I'd wonder if Wesley was assigned somewhere else or blitzing or something. Even if he had bit, he still would've been within 20 yards, I would think.

Wesley went man-to-man on the slot man, who ran a crossing route. Wesley followed him right across the field, vacating his zone which is where Ward was when he caught the TD...

**the Talking Can** · 10-15-2006, 06:45 PM

Wesley dogs it on plays when he isn't within range...I saw it again today. Unacceptable.

We also have street trash for DTs. No good defense has shitty DTs.

htismaqe · 10-15-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

But is all this correctable as Herm loves to say?? I highy doubt it with current personel

Pollard and Page are the answer. Unfortunately, they need time to learn...

B_Ambuehl · 10-15-2006, 07:36 PM

The zone shifts to where the quarterback looks. Those 2 safeties are responsible for an entire half of the field. Without a pass rush they really can't be supermen. That was really just a good offensive play call against what they knew would be a cover 2 defense. The pump fake to the RIGHT draws the safeties to the right...the run fake draws them up...then boom......the receiver is wide open right where he's supposed to be....and the safety is exactly where they thought he'd be. The problem is the defensive line (particularly the tackles) more often then not doesn't get to the quarterback so offenses can run scripted stuff like that against the base cover 2. It has been there for opposing offenses all season long.

A team like chicago would've been all over the quarterback before he'd ever have time to pull something like that off....cuz they get to the quarterback.

Deberg_1990 · 10-15-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

The problem is the defensive line (particularly the tackles) more often then not doesn't get to the quarterback so offenses can run scripted stuff like that against the base cover 2. It has been there for opposing offenses all season long.

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Then why do we continue to run the cover 2 then?? Why dont we blitz more with the linebackers?? Everyone knows our DT's suck, so why do we continue to try and fit a square peg in a round hole????

Toad · 10-15-2006, 08:33 PM

On the 2nd TD, Law checked off the reciever to the safety behind him. That safety was Page at the time. The cameras even showed Law "advising" Page on the bench after the play.

I think it's fairly safe to say the entire stock of safties sucked today. But yes, Wesley specifically played like crap. He had been playing pretty well this year - up till this game. He was out of position virtually the whole game. It seems like he reverted back to the last couple of years in one game.

I do agree that Page and Pollard are the way to go in the future, but they are green as evidenced today. It will be interesting to see at what point Herm makes the decision to forgoe experience (Wesley/Knight) with youth and speed (Page and Pollard). I don't think it will be soon. You can count on Herm saying something like, 'One game does not a season make. We had been playing some pretty good D - 4th in the NFL. We will put this game behind us with no changes on D this week.'

**Rain Man** · 10-15-2006, 08:36 PM

I think that if we get eliminated from the playoff race, we'll see Page and Pollard starting.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-15-2006, 08:37 PM

We had to give up over 500 yards of offense today. There is no way we are even sniffing the top 12 at this point.

jspchief · 10-15-2006, 08:39 PM

Wesley and Page were both bad today.
Page was a freakin staute on that TD when Law let the reciever go (because of the zone coverage). And apparently his arms were amputated before the game so hecould only try to tackle by running into guys and falling down.

Wesley was his usual self. Getting burnt in coverage, then celebrating a big hit after giving up a 9 yard run on first down.

**petegz28** · 10-15-2006, 08:44 PM

I loved how Wesley let his guy go right by him as he was watching the QB for the second Pitt TD. If your saftety lets a guy go then who in the hell is left to cover???

10-15-2006, 06:21 PM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Now that the season is over, it's time to bench Wesley... Dumbass basically spotted them 14 points. Time to let Pollard learn on the job...
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	Wesley dogs it on plays when he isn't within range...I saw it again today. Unacceptable. We also have street trash for DTs. No good defense has shitty DTs. __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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10-15-2006, 07:36 PM	#24
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	The zone shifts to where the quarterback looks. Those 2 safeties are responsible for an entire half of the field. Without a pass rush they really can't be supermen. That was really just a good offensive play call against what they knew would be a cover 2 defense. The pump fake to the RIGHT draws the safeties to the right...the run fake draws them up...then boom......the receiver is wide open right where he's supposed to be....and the safety is exactly where they thought he'd be. The problem is the defensive line (particularly the tackles) more often then not doesn't get to the quarterback so offenses can run scripted stuff like that against the base cover 2. It has been there for opposing offenses all season long. A team like chicago would've been all over the quarterback before he'd ever have time to pull something like that off....cuz they get to the quarterback. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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10-15-2006, 08:33 PM	#26
Toad Pepsi, cheeburger, chip Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Location: Location Casino cash: $2104810	On the 2nd TD, Law checked off the reciever to the safety behind him. That safety was Page at the time. The cameras even showed Law "advising" Page on the bench after the play. I think it's fairly safe to say the entire stock of safties sucked today. But yes, Wesley specifically played like crap. He had been playing pretty well this year - up till this game. He was out of position virtually the whole game. It seems like he reverted back to the last couple of years in one game. I do agree that Page and Pollard are the way to go in the future, but they are green as evidenced today. It will be interesting to see at what point Herm makes the decision to forgoe experience (Wesley/Knight) with youth and speed (Page and Pollard). I don't think it will be soon. You can count on Herm saying something like, 'One game does not a season make. We had been playing some pretty good D - 4th in the NFL. We will put this game behind us with no changes on D this week.'
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10-15-2006, 08:36 PM	#27
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10-15-2006, 08:37 PM	#28
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10-15-2006, 08:39 PM	#29
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Wesley and Page were both bad today. Page was a freakin staute on that TD when Law let the reciever go (because of the zone coverage). And apparently his arms were amputated before the game so hecould only try to tackle by running into guys and falling down. Wesley was his usual self. Getting burnt in coverage, then celebrating a big hit after giving up a 9 yard run on first down. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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10-15-2006, 08:44 PM	#30
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2824127	I loved how Wesley let his guy go right by him as he was watching the QB for the second Pitt TD. If your saftety lets a guy go then who in the hell is left to cover???
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