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Old 04-05-2017, 10:55 AM  
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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

2011 Prelude:

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The 2017 season undoubtably begins in shadow of Yordano Ventura’s tragic death in the offseason. David Glass again bucked expectation and fan vitriol to go all in on his budget, and the core, despite the heartstring tugging trades of Davis and Dyson, remains primed for another push to the promised land. Will the Royals make another deep run into October? Or will they conduct the largest deadline sell off in Major League history?

Even with the expectations, predictions and hype spanning back from 2011 - the journey this team embarked on since 2013 was sweeter than anything any of us could have imagined. Even if this team goes on a 2004 styled losing binge this year, all is not lost. As this will push the Royals to conduct a sell off for minor league talent that will reignite the incredible optimism that permeated through this place in 2011. At the end of the day, this team actually did it, they somehow found a way to defy all of the odds that the MLB set against them to take the crown.
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2017's Burning Questions

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

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2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

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3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

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4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

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5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

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Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

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We’re all in again, folks. Buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 07-17-2017, 12:44 PM   #3961
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The first two games against the Tigers, the Royals will be starting Left Handed pitchers (Vargas & Woods). Is this just the way it worked out or is there some strategy about lefties against Detroit?
I highly doubt the strategy against Miguel Cabrera, JD Martinez and Ian Kinsler is to purposely arrange your rotation to make sure they get ab's against your lefties.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:13 PM   #3962
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I highly doubt the strategy against Miguel Cabrera, JD Martinez and Ian Kinsler is to purposely arrange your rotation to make sure they get ab's against your lefties.
You're probably correct but, three out of the four games with Detroit, the Royals will be starting a lefty;

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Old 07-17-2017, 01:32 PM   #3963
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:32 PM   #3964
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:39 PM   #3965
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I'm a Soler supporter and was fine with the Davis trade -- I still like the chances of it working out over the next few years. But man, he's been godawful this season, far, far, far worse than he ever was with the Cubs. This just may be a lost season for him.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:04 PM   #3966
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100% fine with the Soler move for the sole reason that he's getting everyday AB's. It makes no sense to me why Moss has been given the leash that he has, but if the Royals are dead-set on giving Moss AB's over Soler, then Soler needs to be in the minors getting work in.

I imagine, barring injuries at the major league club, Soler will be in Omaha until September call-ups. While his track record has been brutal in KC thus far, the hand he has been dealt has been just as brutal for how raw he is and how little everyday major league experience he has gotten to this point.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:33 PM   #3967
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Royals said to be 'very aggressive' in their pursuit of Lance Lynn.

Eh. Cuthbert's been hurt all season and bad. Dozier's been hurt. The Cardinals don't need pitching unless it's righthanded bullpen help and if the Cards were looking short term well hell, they could just move Lynn to the 'pen.

Pitching salaries are crazy enough that the Cardinals could price-enforce Lynn into a likely sandwich pick this offseason. Offer him 4/$52 and he wouldn't take it, but it would be a starting point in negotiations and could yield him getting over that $50 million threshold (the only way he'd stay below it is if he took less term; 3/$48 or something like that). That being the case, the bare minimum return they should take is the rough value of that sandwich slot (so a fringe 1st round talent). If I'm the Royals I probably don't give that up.

Besides, the Royals SS and 1b cupboard is pretty bare. That's where the Cardinals really need help.

I'm honestly not sure I see a deal lining up here but baseball is weird so who knows?
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:41 PM   #3968
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You're probably correct but, three out of the four games with Detroit, the Royals will be starting a lefty;

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I think that is more of a function of the rotation has 3 lefties and it just fell that way this time. Could be wrong. I am way to lazy to check Detroit's numbers vs lefties this year.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:54 PM   #3970
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:07 PM   #3971
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I'm sure the Royals haven't soured on Mondesi at all, have they? He seems like a complete non-starter but would Lynn + DeJong get any traction?

DeJong's hit the hell out of the ball and played SS for the Cardinals for the last month. Full disclosure - I don't think that's his true talent level nor do I think he's an actual SS, but he can probably make himself almost league average defensively and even if he never draws walks, he'll always have 20 HR power.

So...maybe a 2-2.5 WAR player at SS? Give or take. And he'd be able to help the Royals right now if that's what they have in mind.

If I'm KC I don't even consider Mondesi as part of a Lynn deal but if I'm the Cardinals, I don't see a way to get a trade made that he's not a part of.
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:07 PM   #3972
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Royals said to be 'very aggressive' in their pursuit of Lance Lynn.

Eh. Cuthbert's been hurt all season and bad. Dozier's been hurt. The Cardinals don't need pitching unless it's righthanded bullpen help and if the Cards were looking short term well hell, they could just move Lynn to the 'pen.

Pitching salaries are crazy enough that the Cardinals could price-enforce Lynn into a likely sandwich pick this offseason. Offer him 4/$52 and he wouldn't take it, but it would be a starting point in negotiations and could yield him getting over that $50 million threshold (the only way he'd stay below it is if he took less term; 3/$48 or something like that). That being the case, the bare minimum return they should take is the rough value of that sandwich slot (so a fringe 1st round talent). If I'm the Royals I probably don't give that up.

Besides, the Royals SS and 1b cupboard is pretty bare. That's where the Cardinals really need help.

I'm honestly not sure I see a deal lining up here but baseball is weird so who knows?

Two of the Royals top five prospects are SS at AA or higher (Mondesi at Omaha, Nicky Lopez at Northwest Arkansas). KC would actually match up fairly well there if the Cardinals are interested in Lopez.

Lopez is a college guy from Creighton with above average OBP skills. Not a ton of pop, but good speed and a good defender who will stick at SS.

I don't think the Cardinals can offer a larger contract and get the QO compensation, though I may be wrong. Believe it has to be the one year, $18 million qualifying offer.

Don't think Lynn would take that at this point, but who knows?


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Old 07-17-2017, 03:16 PM   #3973
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Two of the Royals top five prospects are SS at AA or higher (Mondesi at Omaha, Nicky Lopez at Northwest Arkansas). KC would actually match up fairly well there if the Cardinals are interested in Lopez.

Lopez is a college guy from Creighton with above average OBP skills. Not a ton of pop, but good speed and a good defender who will stick at SS.

I don't think the Cardinals can offer a larger contract and get the QO compensation, though I may be wrong. Believe it has to be the one year, $18 million qualifying offer.

Don't think Lynn would take that at this point, but who knows?


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They can't 'formally' do it, no. But they can offer the QO and then back-channel an offer to him. If he turns down the QO and goes the FA route, the Cards can still stay in the game and offer him the long-term deal that hits the 'magic number'. That way he either takes their offer and they get a relative bargain at a low AAV or he takes less term than he wants and stays under that $50 million threshold elsewhere.

Is Lopez a genuinely GOOD shortstop? Because I see a guy that's holding his own when he's at/over age but hasn't demonstrated that he'll be a genuine offensive asset. In other words, I see a lot of Greg Garcia in that boy.

If he's a no-pop middle-infielder who gets on base but is probably better served at 2b than SS, I don't see a ton of value there. If he's a guy that at least profiles as an above average defender and 'true shorstop' that the Cardinals haven't had since...shit, Renteria, then maybe there's grounds for discussion.
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Ah shit. I see a whole lot of of 'grit' and 'motor' in his scouting reports. 'Undersized' and 'solid' all over the place.

Dunno man, Lopez sure looks to have utility guy written all over him. Scouts are nice guys more often than they aren't and 'grit' is usually code for 'lacks tools'. It's not always a bad thing, but in THAT particular prospect profile, it usually becomes one by about the time they hit AAA.

I think I'd rather roll the dice on the QO with Lynn. Don't see any ceiling here and I think the Cards have a couple of guys like Lopez in their system already (Tommy Edman comes immediately to mind and they just used a pick on another one in Kramer from LSU).
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I wouldn't say replace Esky at all. Surprisingly he's been the hottest hitter on the team and has risen his batting average .50 points in basically a month.
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