Cardinals ***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 291

**BigRedChief** · 08:16 PM

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.

Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.

The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.

Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:

* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.

The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.

The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.

The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.

The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.

The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
— Bernie

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-03-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

I know it's been a while, didn't realize a whole month. Our pitching has been choppy for the same amount of time. Jeff Locke, our All Star hasn't won a game since All Star break and his ERA is about 7.50 since the break. Our newly acquired guys from the Mets and Twins are doing good.

Locke is a piece of shit and his luck was bound to run out. You can't pitch for an entire season with an ERA that is half your xFIP.

**BigRedChief** · 09-03-2013, 07:47 PM

Siegriest is one helluva find. Whoever scouted/pushed for him in the 41st round deserves a raise.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-03-2013, 07:52 PM

I tap. This team just doesn't have it.

kcpasco · 09-03-2013, 08:09 PM

Great game by Wacha. Its just to bad this offense decided to go into one of these bad slumps again. I hope Miller has a good one in him tomorrow because Lynn will probably get lit up again Thursday.

kcpasco · 09-03-2013, 08:25 PM

Just think where this team might be if it wasn't for Kelly since the AS break. Ya Kelly is probably getting extremely lucky but their is no question that he is the Cards 2nd half MVP.

**BigRedChief** · 09-04-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Just think where this team might be if it wasn't for Kelly since the AS break. Ya Kelly is probably getting extremely lucky but their is no question that he is the Cards 2nd half MVP.

Starting on Friday night we play 19 out of our final 25 games at home. We play 19 games against sub .500 teams. The Reds/Pitt play each other 6 times.

Supposely Waino was tipping his pitches. Not a physical issue. Waino/Kelly/Wacha/Miller could get the job done in the playoffs.

After 2006 & 2011 how can any Cardinal fan count them out? Shit happens in the playoffs you never see coming.

DJ's left nut · 09-04-2013, 05:37 PM

Oh c'mon.

You haven't figured this out by now?

Every time a pitcher sucks, it's because he's "tipping his pitches" in the Cardinals organization.

With the Royals it was always "He's landing on his heel".

Wainwright wasn't tipping his pitches, he was throwing rolling curves and 90 mph cockshots. Did you watch him throw? I can't imagine you did if you really buy that bullshit.

Now that's not to say he won't get it back - pitchers have dead arm periods. But no, tipping pitches had nothing to do with it. He was just throwing slop.

Pepe Silvia · 09-04-2013, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Starting on Friday night we play 19 out of our final 25 games at home. We play 19 games against sub .500 teams. The

After 2006 & 2011 how can any Cardinal fan count them out? Shit happens in the playoffs you never see coming.

This times 1,000. Especially after 2011.

O.city · 09-04-2013, 05:40 PM

I think the "tipping pitches" had more to do with our manager constantly overusing said pitcher and allowing him to throw 130 pitches in a game we had a comfortable lead in.

O.city · 09-04-2013, 05:42 PM

And on que, Shelby isn't efficient and can't get guys out.

This pitching staff is garbage right now.

**BigRedChief** · 09-04-2013, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

I think the "tipping pitches" had more to do with our manager constantly overusing said pitcher and allowing him to throw 130 pitches in a game we had a comfortable lead in.

I would say that a more likely reason.

O.city · 09-04-2013, 05:47 PM

Seriously, **** this team.

I think they're just mentally not good enough.

DJ's left nut · 09-04-2013, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

And on que, Shelby isn't efficient and can't get guys out.

This pitching staff is garbage right now.

Shelby's tipping his pitches.

O.city · 09-04-2013, 05:51 PM

Arroyo

That's right Bronson arroyo, is gonna ****ing steamroll thru this metal midget of an offense

O.city · 09-04-2013, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Shelby's tipping his pitches.

01-25-2013, 05:27 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3189627 VARSITY	*OFFICIAL* 2013 STL Cardinals Thread From Bernie's column: People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.” It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year. Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944. A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS. The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face. Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88. Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective: * Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90. * Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92). * The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa. The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160. The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati. The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium. The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA. The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball. The Cardinals really earned this. Thanks for reading ... — Bernie Last edited by BigRedChief; 10-02-2013 at 08:16 PM..
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $3049099	Oh c'mon. You haven't figured this out by now? Every time a pitcher sucks, it's because he's "tipping his pitches" in the Cardinals organization. With the Royals it was always "He's landing on his heel". Wainwright wasn't tipping his pitches, he was throwing rolling curves and 90 mph cockshots. Did you watch him throw? I can't imagine you did if you really buy that bullshit. Now that's not to say he won't get it back - pitchers have dead arm periods. But no, tipping pitches had nothing to do with it. He was just throwing slop. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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