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Old 05-06-2013, 07:19 AM  
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:01 AM   #871
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:38 AM   #872
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LaRussa did this with the Cards and go ask Cards fans how they feel about LaRussa (oh wait they probably have flip flopped on that too)

the dude did win a TON of games with the Cards and all of their dipshit fans hated the **** out of him for these very same things you want Ned Yost to do

I think the main problem with LaRussa is the problem some of you guys have with Ned...LaRussa was the KING of overmanaging

but at the end of the day, he won...so I guess if he ever managed my team and he got those results I feel like he could do whatever the **** he wants
The problem is being consistant and Ned is not. Why let Gutherie pitch the 9th, but not Shields with 4 more pitches and a history of being able to handle a larger pitch load?

The run differential thing was very stupid of him to say. Shields is your best pitcher so you let the better pitcher take the mound with a 2 or 3 run lead, but if you have a 1 one lead you let the inferior guy pitch?
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:43 AM   #873
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I believe the thinking is that although Shields is your best pitcher, Holland's good first inning is better than Shield's pitches 100+.

Not saying I agree, or that I wasn't upset with Shields being pulled. That being said, you can't kill a guy for a toss up type decision after it doesn't work out. If Holland doesn't suck up the place and getz doesn't bobble the ground ball we never have this discussion.
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:00 AM   #874
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I believe the thinking is that although Shields is your best pitcher, Holland's good first inning is better than Shield's pitches 100+.

Not saying I agree, or that I wasn't upset with Shields being pulled. That being said, you can't kill a guy for a toss up type decision after it doesn't work out. If Holland doesn't suck up the place and getz doesn't bobble the ground ball we never have this discussion.
No, you can kill the guy for not being consistant. The next time Shields is throwing like that and he is at 100 after 8 he needs to get pulled, but Ned is reactionary so he will likely leave Shields in for the 9th next time. Get your philosophy and stick with it. Flying by the seat of your pants in a recipe for disaster. Also history says Shields is still Shields at 100 pitches. This isn't Bruce Chen who falls off a cliff after 5 innings.
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:03 AM   #875
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That's such a painful way to lose....so painful. I honestly would rather Holland get shelled, but to miss the plate time after time after time. Its torture.

Holland looks so rigid and nervous in these situations.

Loses like the are hard to shake.
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You probably have James Shields for 2 years at the max...you use EVERY BIT of him you can right now.

There was nothing to indicate he couldn't handle the 9th...he was coasting.
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The run differential thing was very stupid of him to say. Shields is your best pitcher so you let the better pitcher take the mound with a 2 or 3 run lead, but if you have a 1 one lead you let the inferior guy pitch?
The run differential thing is maddening! Typical Yost. Another thing that pisses me off about Yost is that Bukaty is the one guy that actually asks him tough questions and he acts like a jerk to him. Reminds me too much of how Pinkel has acted in his career, smug for no reason at all.
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:33 AM   #878
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The run differential thing is maddening! Typical Yost. Another thing that pisses me off about Yost is that Bukaty is the one guy that actually asks him tough questions and he acts like a jerk to him. Reminds me too much of how Pinkel has acted in his career, smug for no reason at all.
Yost is better than what we've had, but I have to wonder if maybe we can't attract a better manager now that the team has real major league talent on the roster.
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Yost is better than what we've had, but I have to wonder if maybe we can't attract a better manager now that the team has real major league talent on the roster.
The last so-called "blue chip" manager we landed, supposedly snatching him right before the Yankees were going to come calling, ended up being a disaster.

If you poll fans after the end of each season, I'm guessing you'll find that 29 of the managers are idiots. The manager of the team who wins the world series will have a significant minority who say the team won in spite of his buffoonery.
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I believe the thinking is that although Shields is your best pitcher, Holland's good first inning is better than Shield's pitches 100+.

Not saying I agree, or that I wasn't upset with Shields being pulled. That being said, you can't kill a guy for a toss up type decision after it doesn't work out. If Holland doesn't suck up the place and getz doesn't bobble the ground ball we never have this discussion.
There is another thing you have to keep in mind, though. Whether you are Mariano Rivera or Jonathan Sanchez, no matter how good or bad you are, on any given night you might not have a good feel for your pitches, and often they don't know it until they get into the game.

You might have some pitchers who are more consistent, or at least "have it" on a couple of their pitches if the other 1 or 2 pitches aren't hitting the strike zone that night. Every time you go to the bullpen, you roll the dice that on this night he might lose his release point.

If we knew for sure that on this particular night Holland had it and could throw first pitch strikes on any of his pitches, then its a no-brainer, he's better than Shields after 102 pitches. We didn't know that though, and we knew that Shields had every one of his pitches working, and 102 pitches is not that much for a horse like him. He should have at least been given one base-runner before we are finally forced to switch from a guy who has it but might be tired, to someone who is fresh but might not have it.
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This is why I disagree with the standard decision to go with one guy in the 8th and the next guy in the 9th. It should depend on how well the setup guy threw, and the upcoming batters (splits). I wish James would do research on the outcome of teams who leave the guy in another inning, vs replacing him with the closer.


I can't tell you how many times I've seen a 1-2-3 inning in the 8th, and the manager HAS to go with the closer in the 9th and he comes in struggling to throw strikes. Infuriating.
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