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Old 11-24-2004, 08:40 PM  
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Our defensive problems all started when we let Donnie Edwards go?........... discuss.

Peterson didn't want to pay him. Was that the beginning of the end?
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Old 11-25-2004, 01:57 AM   #31
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Old 11-25-2004, 02:34 AM   #32
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Old 11-25-2004, 03:02 AM   #33
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It has been a deteriation since Carl's Coaches haven't been able teach their players to keep over achieving. therefore Peterson tries to find a damn good coach while he makes shitty personel decisions. Thats including Head Coaches too
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Old 11-25-2004, 06:52 AM   #34
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Beginning of the end? I'll go with when Hasty was nearing the end and when we signed Chester McGlockton and when we signed Carlton Gray and when we signed Lew Bush and when we gave a huge contract to Dan Williams. That should have clued us in that the front office was clueless...
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Old 11-25-2004, 06:54 AM   #35
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Beginning of the end? I'll go with when Hasty was nearing the end and when we signed Chester McGlockton and when we signed Carlton Gray and when we signed Lew Bush and when we gave a huge contract to Dan Williams. That should have clued us in that the front office was clueless...
Chester was a force. Sure, he jumped offsides occasionally. Our defensive line was stout against the run and we had bunches of sacks when he was here though. There was a noticeable difference when Vermeil got rid of him.
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Old 11-25-2004, 09:01 AM   #36
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well i for one truly miss Donnie Edwards... But I think he has been gone long enough to say that he is NOT the problem. Maz wouldnt have got hurt, I say we at least force the Colts to punt a couple times, insuring that we play the Pats in AFC champ game...
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Old 11-25-2004, 09:11 AM   #37
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Chester was a force. Sure, he jumped offsides occasionally. Our defensive line was stout against the run and we had bunches of sacks when he was here though. There was a noticeable difference when Vermeil got rid of him.
He was pretty much hurt his first year. He had flashes after that, but not much for what we paid to get him (including the 2nd rounder). He had a total of 7 sacks for us while here. He had 7 sacks or more in 4 individual seasons while in Oakland. IMO he just got his money and then became lazy. He lacked the desire.

We were about #1(4), #11(17), and #1(15) in points allowed in the NFL in '95-'97 (total defense rankings are in parenteses). In '98 we fell to #22(9). In '99 we got back up to #13(14), but them in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and so far in 2004 we were ranked #19(20), #23(22), #28(32), #19(29), and #28(29). So I date the demise back to '98, and that's when the crap signings began, along with the decline of DT. Lew Bush was a disaster. Carlton Gray was a disaster. Dan Williams was a disaster after 1 fluke year. Those were Carl's responses to losing DT, Dale Carter, and Keith Traylor over a span of a couple of years, along with Neil Smith. And that was just the start...
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Old 11-25-2004, 09:18 AM   #38
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Old 11-25-2004, 09:32 AM   #39
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He was pretty much hurt his first year. He had flashes after that, but not much for what we paid to get him (including the 2nd rounder). He had a total of 7 sacks for us while here. He had 7 sacks or more in 4 individual seasons while in Oakland. IMO he just got his money and then became lazy. He lacked the desire. .
Chester wasn't being paid to sack the QB. He was being paid to stuff the run and eat up blockers. Chester McGlockton is the reason why Eric Hicks looked like a good defensive end one year.

1998 - 10th in yards per rush
1999 - 10th in yards per rush
2000 - 16th in yards per rush

Each of those years we had at least 40 sacks, if I remember. We had something like 54 one year. They don't list team sacks on pro-football-reference.com.
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Old 11-26-2004, 12:25 AM   #40
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Chester wasn't being paid to sack the QB. He was being paid to stuff the run and eat up blockers. Chester McGlockton is the reason why Eric Hicks looked like a good defensive end one year.

1998 - 10th in yards per rush
1999 - 10th in yards per rush
2000 - 16th in yards per rush

Each of those years we had at least 40 sacks, if I remember. We had something like 54 one year. They don't list team sacks on pro-football-reference.com.
You know looking at that site and looking at the crap we had on offense, it made me realize that Carl and Marty did as poor a job putting together an offense in those days as Carl and Vermeil have done putting together a defense these days. It is bizarre...
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Old 11-26-2004, 12:35 AM   #41
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You know looking at that site and looking at the crap we had on offense, it made me realize that Carl and Marty did as poor a job putting together an offense in those days as Carl and Vermeil have done putting together a defense these days. It is bizarre...
Oh, I don't know. I think we had talent that was being misused. Elvis wasn't total shit at QB (you can't be and throw 28 TD). The offensive line was great. We should have been starting Horn over Rison's no-heart, washed up ass. RBBC was gay as hell.....

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Old 11-26-2004, 04:04 AM   #42
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Oh, I don't know. I think we had talent that was being misused. Elvis wasn't total shit at QB (you can't be and throw 28 TD). The offensive line was great. We should have been starting Horn over Rison's no-heart, washed up ass. RBBC was gay as hell.....

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Yes we should've kept Horn and started him over Rison, but I think your right on being misused part. When gun took over he made Kimble Anders the starting HB moving from FB to HB, and the very first game i saw him play in he looked good carrying the rock and than boom he got injured against the Bears and was out for the year.

I think when he got injured that spelled the opening for RBBC, and i didnt like it cause i like having one guy as the main back instead of 5 or 6, and oh yea Bam Morris sucked, and I actually do think Grbac sucked, he just had a good year, look at all the other years especially his 5 TD 12 INT ratio.
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Old 11-26-2004, 11:40 AM   #43
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You know looking at that site and looking at the crap we had on offense, it made me realize that Carl and Marty did as poor a job putting together an offense in those days as Carl and Vermeil have done putting together a defense these days. It is bizarre...
I agree and what is the ONE constant in that statement?
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I actually do think Grbac sucked, he just had a good year, look at all the other years especially his 5 TD 12 INT ratio.
Grbac had 3 good statistical years, one bad statistical year.

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