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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

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While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 04-16-2017, 07:03 PM   #151
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Old 04-16-2017, 07:49 PM   #152
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Toronto, Cleveland, Texas, St. Louis, and San Francisco are all in last place. Baseball is weird.
It's why making judgements in the first two months of the season is completely pointless.

There should basically be two goals right now... at least hang around .500 or better, and stay healthy. You achieve those two things and you'll be in the mix at the All-Star break.
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:05 PM   #153
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:07 PM   #154
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It's why making judgements in the first two months of the season is completely pointless.



There should basically be two goals right now... at least hang around .500 or better, and stay healthy. You achieve those two things and you'll be in the mix at the All-Star break.

That's always been my philosophy that you play .500+ ball until the ASB & then reevaluate where you're at.

SP has been incredible.
BP is very fixable as Soria looks 100% better & I still think Strahm will be alright.
I think Hosmer will start producing or the big payday he is expecting won't materialize.
Moose & Cain know they are in contract years & I expect them to continue to hit.
I think 2B & RF will get worked out. I'm a fan of Merrifield & hope Soler isn't garbage because he is going to play a lot.
Salvy & Esky will do Salvy & Esky things.
I'm unsure about Gordon & Moss.

Call me crazy but I still expect a 90-72 season.


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Old 04-16-2017, 08:08 PM   #155
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Is Strahm eligible for the recall? I think Soler still needs a rehab assignment at AAA.
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Is Strahm eligible for the recall? I think Soler still needs a rehab assignment at AAA.
Strahm isn't eligible until Apr. 21.

Rustin also said Soler is about ready for the rehab assignment but I can't imagine that'll be Tuesday. I don't know if Omaha plays Monday or not.
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:28 PM   #157
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That's always been my philosophy that you play .500+ ball until the ASB & then reevaluate where you're at.

SP has been incredible.
BP is very fixable as Soria looks 100% better & I still think Strahm will be alright.
I think Hosmer will start producing or the big payday he is expecting won't materialize.
Moose & Cain know they are in contract years & I expect them to continue to hit.
I think 2B & RF will get worked out. I'm a fan of Merrifield & hope Soler isn't garbage because he is going to play a lot.
Salvy & Esky will do Salvy & Esky things.
I'm unsure about Gordon & Moss.

Call me crazy but I still expect a 90-72 season.


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Is there any statisical analysis showing guys play better in contract years?
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We're two weeks into the season, Billy Butler is still out of the league and just sold his multi million dollar mansion. Is he still looking to get back into the game? The wire was all but silent on him over the offseason.

He's still owed 10 million on his A's contract (lol Beane), and I suppose that's a good jumpstart to retirement if he's going that way. He got spit-roasted by the national media and the KC front office after being punched out by Valencia last year, one can't think that was the easiest experience for him to go through.
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We're two weeks into the season, Billy Butler is still out of the league and just sold his multi million dollar mansion. Is he still looking to get back into the game? The wire was all but silent on him over the offseason.

He's still owed 10 million on his A's contract (lol Beane), and I suppose that's a good jumpstart to retirement if he's going that way. He got spit-roasted by the national media and the KC front office after being punched out by Valencia last year, one can't think that was the easiest experience for him to go through.
It's been a tough market for hitters. Guys like Moss and Chris Carter who are legit consistent 30 HR guys couldn't find jobs.

Pedro Alvarez had 20+ HRs and an OPS over .800 last year and he had to settle for a minor league contract.
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It's been a tough market for hitters. Guys like Moss and Chris Carter who are legit consistent 30 HR guys couldn't find jobs.

Pedro Alvarez had 20+ HRs and an OPS over .800 last year and he had to settle for a minor league contract.
Whoa. I hadn't fully realized how wide spread the floating DH concept had become and its effect it was having on the market.

I'm sure Kendrys is ecstatic he signed the Blue Jays offer at the first possible opportunity.
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You guys see the post game headline from a couple days ago on the angels sbnation site?

http://www.halosheaven.com/2017/4/15...mike-moustakas
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:36 AM   #164
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Good find on the article. I'm guessing stuff like this is written often when free agency looms for a locally raised player. Not sure how often it really happens. As some fans report in the comment section, the Angels have lots of bodies and $(thanks mostly to one of those bodies)tied up in corner infielders. I'd take Moose over any of their guys, but it would probably take them some work to make it happen. My guess is that Moose will be the guy the Royals try the hardest to obtain but we'll see. At the end of the day if he wants to go home and play, good for him. He certainly helped deliver all we could have ever asked of him.
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Moustakas to the Angels would make a lot of sense if they can find the money and are willing to commit to another corner guy.

He'd be a hell of an upgrade for Jeffry Marte.

I think he's the guy KC would most like to keep, but if he hits 40 bombs this year, that prospect will get dicey.


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