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*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***

Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 05-07-2017, 11:20 AM   #751
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Here i am again, saying that herrara is not a closer. Out of the hdh, we should have managed or figured out away to keep one of the other two. Soria money could have been reallocated to that effect. I know hidsight is 20/20 but my novice eye told me Herrara is just a little short of being nails.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:22 AM   #752
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Here i am again, saying that herrara is not a closer. Out of the hdh, we should have managed or figured out away to keep one of the other two. Soria money could have been reallocated to that effect. I know hidsight is 20/20 but my novice eye told me Herrara is just a little short of being nails.
Here I am again, saying your eye test sucks. Herrera pitched 3 scoreless innings of Game 5 of the 2015 World Series, in what's now known as one of the most clutch appearances in major league history. He also managed an incredible 1.26 ERA over our appearances in the 2014-2015 playoffs.

Funny how you seem to only take exception to our players who speak English as a second language, eh?
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:30 PM   #753
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:37 PM   #754
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This was already posted

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=701



Funny how I post this, and it suddenly ends up on a local news story. Pathetic how they troll CP for their story ideas
Did you get called a troll by the resident snowflakes?
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:39 PM   #755
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Did you get called a troll by the resident snowflakes?
Yah he did, but he's actually somewhat of a fan.

You aren't, you only come in here to troll. Don't do it anymore.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:41 PM   #756
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Did you get called a troll by the resident snowflakes?
PB actually provides statistics and discussion along with his "points." He can at least be taken partially serious.

He was also a giant douche that said this team wouldn't do anything in 2015 and that was clearly wrong.

You're a Chiefs fan who comes in here to rip on the Royals. That in itself is ****ing hilarious.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:43 PM   #757
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Yah he did, but he's actually somewhat of a fan.

You aren't, you only come in here to troll. Don't do it anymore.
How is pointing that attendance down and ripping the fans for it trolling? If youll recall Yost ripped them in 14'.
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Did you get called a troll by the resident snowflakes?
PB backs up his points with something other than abject trolling or stupidity. Be careful with that "snowflake" label. For someone known to make fraudulent and debasing claims on someone's professional facebook page after getting your feelings hurt on Chiefsplanet, it's pretty rich you'd use that label here.
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PB backs up his points with something other than abject trolling or stupidity. Be careful with that "snowflake" label. For someone known to make fraudulent and debasing claims on someone's professional facebook page after getting your feelings hurt on Chiefsplanet, it's pretty rich you'd use that label here.
I posted an article that backs up the claim did you not read it? There was no trolling just discussion in a topic that you don't agree with and instead of debating it you tried to shut it down hence the snowflake label. Terrible comparison to bring up something from several years ago when my personal info was posted on here first. People change it's obvious you haven't though.
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Here I am again, saying your eye test sucks. Herrera pitched 3 scoreless innings of Game 5 of the 2015 World Series, in what's now known as one of the most clutch appearances in major league history. He also managed an incredible 1.26 ERA over our appearances in the 2014-2015 playoffs.

Funny how you seem to only take exception to our players who speak English as a second language, eh?
I take exception to closers who get racked for two home runs in the ninth inning at home.
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I posted an article that backs up the claim did you not read it? There was no trolling just discussion in a topic that you don't agree with and instead of debating it you tried to shut it down hence the snowflake label. Terrible comparison to bring up something from several years ago when my personal info was posted on here first. People change it's obvious you haven't though.


People change, eh? If so, you obviously haven't about the Royals, as you've been an inarguable Royals troll since 2011 and had a chip on your shoulder about the Chiefs from that time.

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Lol you know in a few years [the K] will be empty again.
If you're not a troll, can you participate in actual discussion about the team? You see, I did read the article, and I pointed out that attendance is down for almost every team while school is still in session, and it typically picks up in the summer. But as you've done for the last five years, you didn't respond to any of those claims, but continued your obnoxious trolling of the team.

If you want people to move on from your past, the do something and actually change how you conduct yourself in these threads, Bill.
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Chiefspants its hard to dispute your claim well have to do a wait and see approach this summer and see how attendance goes. If I wasnt a fan before 2014 how can I ever be? Thats not fair to guys like you and Lew who probably followed every game of the Buddy Bell era.
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Chiefspants its hard to dispute your claim well have to do a wait and see approach this summer and see how attendance goes. If I wasnt a fan before 2014 how can I ever be? Thats not fair to guys like you and Lew who probably followed every game of the Buddy Bell era.
You can be a fan, man. It's not my intention to act like an old school snob. I'm just confused because I can't remember a single positive thing you've said about the team since you've been on here. I love that the Royals have picked up a ton of fans since 2014, what's annoying is the mob-like loathing a lot of these fans have toward GMDM, the players, and the fanbase now that the team is on a downward slide. This is basically the breaks of being a fan for a small market team.

I challenge anyone to name a single other small market team that has had more postseason success than the Royals since the year 2000. I don't think that team exists, these slides happen, even for the Rays and the A's of the world. Reading constant facebook/CP meltdowns from new era fans in spite of this is becoming a bit of an annoyance.

I do sincerely apologize if I went for the jugular in bringing up your past - you tend to do drive by swipes of the team/fanbase, some of which is not unlike PB. I love PB and reading his takes about these things, and I think the difference is that he sticks around to break down his thoughts about these issues, would I be asking for too much for you to stick around for more of these discussions?
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