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Old 04-05-2017, 10:55 AM  
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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

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While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 05-19-2017, 10:23 AM   #1171
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That's not nearly enough for Herrera and Cain.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:39 AM   #1172
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Shaun Newkirk at Royals Review fills in with some details on Soto, pitching prospects.

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The profile on Soto is that of a prototypical right fielder, featuring above average power and decent speed. Heíll be more valuable at the plate than in the outfield defensively as he probably isnít anything more than an average fielder there with a less than stellar arm.

Heís not done growing yet of course as heís just 18 years old, and as he matures you could see him growing into more power (but heíll also lose speed from his already below average wheels). He has a decent idea at the plate, has posted strong walk-rates in the minors so far, and makes a lot of contact. If the hit tool grades out at the end as even a 50 then you are talking about a guy with 50 hit and 60 power who also gets on base. Itís not a star profile given his defensive profile and base running, but itís an easy everyday regular.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:43 AM   #1173
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Going for it this year really isn't worth it, even if you think we can make the playoffs. If we don't trade everyone, we basically **** this team in the ass for the next decade. We HAVE to trade the farm. Get prospects. Build for the future. Our farm system is barren.
Then technically we do NOT want to trade the farm.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:49 AM   #1174
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we went on a t shirt tuesday this year and got there 20 minutes before the game started and didnt get shirts.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:16 PM   #1175
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That's not nearly enough for Herrera and Cain.
Yeah, **** that.

I'd rather have Cain the rest of this season and take his compensation pick and the almost 2 years of club control on Herrera than Soto. It's like people forget Cain finished 3rd in MVP voting just a couple years ago. When healthy, he's one of the better OF's in the AL.

I don't even know if the Nats really are interested in Herrera AND Cain, but if they are they better start mentioning Robles in that type of deal. If not, DM should tell them to go **** themselves.

Herrera, Cain & Starling for Robles & lottery ticket arm would be a very fair deal for both teams. Royals get a high level almost major league ready OF to replenish losing Cain and Nats get a great CF for rest of season, an elite bullpen power arm and a 5 tool guy lottery ticket who really needs a change of scenery.

That trade immediately makes Nats the favorite in the NL and the most complete team (yes, even more so than the Cubs).
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:38 PM   #1176
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:58 PM   #1177
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Herrera hasn't been great this season and teams looking to acquire them will definitely use that to their advantage. I don't think he will return as much as we would think he should.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:03 PM   #1178
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This is definitely a big weekend. If we can win our series and Cleveland loses theirs at Houston and Detroit loses to Texas then we really would be right back in it.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:30 PM   #1179
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This is definitely a big weekend. If we can win our series and Cleveland loses theirs at Houston and Detroit loses to Texas then we really would be right back in it.

Is it too much to ask for a sweep of the Twinkies & have the Indians & Tigers to both be swept?


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Old 05-19-2017, 02:39 PM   #1180
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IMO no wild card in the Central as best teams clearly in East and West outside of maybe Indians. With that said the wager is can the Royals catch the Indians? That is also assuming you can catch the others. If I was to wager, I would say no way. I say start selling.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:41 PM   #1181
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:30 PM   #1182
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I see where Schoenfield is coming from with that, and Cain and Herrera to the Nats make sense. But he makes two major mistakes in assessing the return:

1) The headline is a bat-only player with athletic questions and below average speed. The antithesis of what Moore looks for in an outfielder

2) the player is very far away from the major leagues. Moore will target guys who can help more immediately.

My proposed trade - Fedde + Stevenson + Kieboom looks a lot more like what KC would be looking for in return.

Maybe Kieboom and Fedde are too much for that deal from the Nats side (though a top 50 prospect, a top 75 prospect, and a 150-200 guy are a pretty good deal for a gold glove CF who can hit in the top of the lineup and a top 15 closer), but that's much closer.


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