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Old 03-23-2009, 08:44 PM  
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:32 AM   #3811
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There was a note with the baby, probably saying who she was. Probably didn't take too long to figure out where to return her.
Ya, the note had the home address written on it- not a lot of mystery in putting that together.
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:36 AM   #3812
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I'm not sure why Todd has so much respect for Walt, unless it just the "awe of science" or some shrewd tactical moves. It can't be out of fear, since Jack was the one providing Walt's muscle.
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:48 AM   #3813
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One thing that I thought was interesting (and it bodes a potential end for Lydia) is that Todd told her the purity of the last cook was 92% when it was really 96%, as he communicated to Jesse. We know that Jesse cooked 96% pure meth at the Mexican lab as well. That four percent discrepancy exists for a reason, and I don't think that the AB are diluting it by four percent just for a miniscule increase in profit margin. That might play in the final episode.
I took that as a passage of time and Jesse getting better... didn't see anything nefarious about 92 vs. 96 percent purity.
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:56 AM   #3814
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I don't think that Walt is going to try to poison the Gray Matter people. I just think they served as an impetus to get him off his ass. Those reading his abrupt departure from the bar as a "Walt's coming for you, better hide Gray Matter people!" moment are misreading, imo.
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Old 09-23-2013, 08:57 AM   #3815
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I'm not sure why Todd has so much respect for Walt, unless it just the "awe of science" or some shrewd tactical moves. It can't be out of fear, since Jack was the one providing Walt's muscle.
Remember the scene where he's telling Jack and Co. about the train heist and how perfectly it was done? I think that Todd is a little awed by Walt's intellect and the Heisenberg legend, even if it isn't justified from the viewer's perspective.
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:02 AM   #3816
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I'm not sure why Todd has so much respect for Walt, unless it just the "awe of science" or some shrewd tactical moves. It can't be out of fear, since Jack was the one providing Walt's muscle.
Train Heist, them cooking together, murdering Gus, Mike, etc.

In Todd's eyes, Walter has probably lived up to the legend of Heisenberg. Probably more so during his last interaction with Pinkman.
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:05 AM   #3817
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Train Heist, them cooking together, murdering Gus, Mike, etc.

In Todd's eyes, Walter has probably lived up to the legend of Heisenberg. Probably more so during his last interaction with Pinkman.
Exactly. Did Walter hatch the "Termite House" cook scheme as well? That was pretty brilliant.
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Exactly. Did Walter hatch the "Termite House" cook scheme as well? That was pretty brilliant.
I can't recall.
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Exactly. Did Walter hatch the "Termite House" cook scheme as well? That was pretty brilliant.
Yes, Walt's idea.
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:17 AM   #3820
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Yes, I can see the admiration Todd could have for Walt's intellect - it just felt like they used the 'Todd's respect' clause to allow a lot of 'loose ends' to remain (walt, walt's barrel, Skyler, etc.) - it felt out of proportion. Of course, on the other hand, why would I be expecting mental balance out of Todd?
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:22 AM   #3821
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I'm not sure why Todd has so much respect for Walt, unless it just the "awe of science" or some shrewd tactical moves. It can't be out of fear, since Jack was the one providing Walt's muscle.
Walt pulled the same thing with Jesse, the fill in paternal role, and taught him to cook- something that would be seen as valuable to Jack and his guys. He made him a valuable asset and like I said Walt has always been good with manipulation. Todd maybe a sociopath, but it's pretty clear that he does have a motivation to be considered a key guy within the criminal circles he hangs around.

Walter opened the door for him to move up more than anyone, and you can't say he has zero motivation for his actions as there is at least some need for recognition and acceptance he wants - kinda like his smirk when they watched Jesse's confession and all the guys found out that he was the one that killed Drew. Not because it's a kid, but it reinforced that he will do whatever is necessary to ensure that nothing stands in the way.

It's Todd's pride to a degree but also he identifies with Walt's obsession with infamy. Just like his quick thinking to not kill Jesse right away, and his conversation with Jack. They have more money than they could ever need, but he's the one that pushes to keep cooking, so money is clearly not his endgame.

Todd wants power, and the notoriety that came when Walt was Heisenberg. He even says it's not personal before shooting Andrea, a defense and rationale Walt used to justify even going back to Crazy8. Todd just has little or no moral qualms in reaching his decision to do those horrible things, and it's not "personal" because it's "business" and the surest way to keep Jesse from trying to run as well as provide him a reason to keep cooking.

Not going after Walt's family is a half measure like Mike used to talk about, and if you recall his quote about Lydia, he says something along the lines of, "if there ever was a Bitch that deserved to die, she was it." She's just as much a sociopath as Todd. Possibly the reason why he identifies with her, and has a thing for her. Her response is very similar, take out all of Mikes guys, and when Mike refused, she immediately trys to have Mike killed so he won't be in the way to stop killing the rest.

Unfortunately for Mike, he doesn't take his own advice and does a half measure- sneaking into her house to kill her but doesn't follow through. Contrast that with Todd sneaking in to threaten Skyler, another half measure, as Lydia points out, but the difference in extremes being Mike had no intention of harming Lydia's child or leaving her dead for the kid to witness her murder, versus Todd makes his initial play by breaking in to Holly's room to get her attention and threaten. Skyler walks in and he's hovering over the crib, the implied threat is not simply to Skyler if she talks, but to send the message that her children are in danger- which has been her biggest fear the entire show.
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Is Walt going to save his family? Something to keep in mind... Saul told Walt in the beginning that the best advice to protect his family was to turn himself in.

We see the cards laid out for Walt to protect his family one last time. He is ready to surrender, then doesn't. Walt Jr, one of the most pure characters in the show, implies the family wants to move on. Todd has already indicated he doesn't want to hurt walts family. If Walt surrendered at the bar, seems like he could save his family.

Walt put pride above his family one last time. We will see how it turns out but I think somebody or several somebodies Walt cares about even more than hank are going to get whacked.
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Many times in this thread I've referred to Walt as a sociopath. But it's obvious that he's really not. He's just a selfish prick who does some evil things. He does know right from wrong and sometimes he even feels remorse about the consequences of his actions.

Obviously not a sociopath.

Todd, however, is a sociopath in the truest sense of the word. "Sorry, nothing personal" before shooting Jesse's girlfriend in the back of the head? Smirking about shooting the kid on the motorcycle? What a dick. The contrast between Todd and Walt is pretty clear.
I'm glad the Grey matter folks popped up. It's a gentle reminder that this chip on the shoulder is driving most of what he does. He has several chances to quit but chooses not to. I don't think Walt is an evil person and he is not a sociopath because he shows some emotions and regret. He isn't greedy because he's barely spent what he's made. But he gets the most reckless when he doesn't get credit for his work. Just as it ate him up inside when hank was giving gale credit for being the meth mastermind.
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Is Walt going to save his family? Something to keep in mind... Saul told Walt in the beginning that the best advice to protect his family was to turn himself in.

We see the cards laid out for Walt to protect his family one last time. He is ready to surrender, then doesn't. Walt Jr, one of the most pure characters in the show, implies the family wants to move on. Todd has already indicated he doesn't want to hurt walts family. If Walt surrendered at the bar, seems like he could save his family.

Walt put pride above his family one last time. We will see how it turns out but I think somebody or several somebodies Walt cares about even more than hank are going to get whacked.
Walt's family wouldn't be safe if Walt turned himself in though. The AB would instantly threaten to take out his family if Walt mentioned them to the DEA. I have a feeling that Walt is going to come back....take out the AB.....and THEN turn himself in. He'll probably take the ricin in prison or just die from the cancer.
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