The Flash

[Munson]

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I don't hate everything. I acknowledge bad movies as bad, even if I like personally them and consider them to be guilty pleasure movies. You lose your mind fawning over just about every movie that you even have the slightest hope won't suck.

Huge difference.

False narrative. I hated Rise of Skywalker.

You are just another CPer who thinks most everything sucks.

I'd love to see you posting about a movie you actually think is good.

[Bowser]

I went into this thinking it'd be so-so at best, and also to see how bad they were going to screw up the Flashpoint story (one of DC's best), but I loved it. Easily one of the best movies DC has ever put out. Not only did they NOT screw up the story, they did a great job incorporating it into the DCU for James Gunn's DCU reset.

Spoiler!

I laughed out loud when I saw that they not only put in Nic Cage's Superman, but they incorporated the storyline with the giant murderous spider-thing that was attached to that Superman story. That was an absolute masterstroke of fan service, lol. Also happy they got Christopher Reeve and Helen Slater in there as well, but was a little sad Bale's Bats or Brandon Routh's Supes didn't make the cut.

[Bowser]

Spoiler!

And also.....did you catch the Adam West Batman shot? That was amazing

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

False narrative. I hated Rise of Skywalker.

You are just another CPer who thinks most everything sucks.

I'd love to see you posting about a movie you actually think is good.

Not a false narrative, at all:

You lose your mind fawning over just about every movie that you even have the slightest hope won't suck.

And I have posted movies that I think are good.

[BigCatDaddy]

Had high expectations going in and was pretty let down. Seeing Keaton and Reeve was cool but other than that pretty meh. No where near GOTG.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Had high expectations going in and was pretty let down. Seeing Keaton and Reeve was cool but other than that pretty meh. No where near GOTG.

I was the opposite.....I expected nothing and was pleasantly surprised. Agreed on it not being GotG, but it was entertaining.

[Gravedigger]

Spoiler!

I've always loved the Flash's story, it's the closest thing DC has to Spiderman, and they're very similar in alot of ways. But Barry Allen's story is great, that no matter how fast he can run, he can't escape his origin. He tries to change it, but it backfires horribly and he has to learn that he can't save everyone. It's such a great way to send that message that this movie was enjoyable in so many ways.

The only disappointing part of it, is that it leads to nowhere in James Gunns' universe now, especially with these box office numbers. If the movie made $150 million just in domestic this weekend, then maybe you could see Ezra come back if he kept clean and stopped being Ezra, but they kinda wasted Flashpoint in this movie. They did it well enough, bringing in Keaton, substituting Supergirl in for Superman, but the rest of the cast is just not there. There's no Aquaman in the main movie, no Wonder Woman besides for a laugh cameo, they didn't end it like the original story ended it, didn't introduce Thomas Wayne, didn't introduce the Reverse Flash which was probably a better move so they could showcase him with the next round of DCU superheroes, but still takes away the conflict and the antagonist from the movie and replaces it with a rehash of Zod's arrival on Earth.

At no point do I believe the iteration they present in the end of this movie will come back in another movie. I hope they bring back Sasha Calle as Supergirl though, she was really well done, so if you're going to take one of the characters and flesh out her origins in another dimension then I would hope it's her, but Ezra, Gal Gadot, Batfleck, or the other cameos, they're stuck in that timeline and won't get any more movies dedicated to them. Just cameo's in Gunn's universe, or Crisis on Infinite Earths, if they do that storyline. The Flashpoint storyline was just kinda wasted as an X-Men 3 the Last Stand way with the Phoenix Saga. Just hope when they redo it it's not a another movie that doesn't do it justice and it ends up being X-Men 3 the Last Stand followed by Dark Phoenix, and we're still waiting on a good version of the storyline. This movie was alot better than X-Men 3, but I couldn't escape that feeling after having watched it.

[Mecca]

The whole... "well they couldn't just trash it for tax purposes they need to try and make some money off of it" ... really blew up in their face huh?

They've been trying to do a Flash movie since the 80's... and this is what they put out...

a movie that was plagued with backstage drama and a lead actor who committed multiple bizare headline making crimes... rushed cameos cause they had no faith in the actual story... really dodgy cgi for a movie that was going to live or die on that... being based on Flashpoint itself which is not a particularly fondly remembered story... AND is completely unearned.... AND makes itself redundant by the end...

I also don't understand DC's obsession with the flashpoint story. The first movie about this character should not be ****ing flashpoint..flashpoint is dark and dire with no hope which means for that to impact at all you need the world to be bright and happy beforehand. Having flashpoint literally follow the Snyder movies does nothing because dark and dire is his entire universe.

It was an utterly stupid plan from day 1.

[Hammock Parties]

Here's Mecca to tell us something sucks again! Even when we had an absolutely great time watching it!

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Here's Mecca to tell us something sucks again! Even when we had an absolutely great time watching it!

You really should have a bit of dignity when judging a film...DC in general has no idea what the **** they are doing on the movie side.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You really should have a bit of dignity when judging a film...DC in general has no idea what the **** they are doing on the movie side.

I laughed, I cried, I fudged my undies.

Great friggin' flick!

You should lighten up and stop being such a depressing chode about entertainment.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The whole... "well they couldn't just trash it for tax purposes they need to try and make some money off of it" ... really blew up in their face huh?

They've been trying to do a Flash movie since the 80's... and this is what they put out...

a movie that was plagued with backstage drama and a lead actor who committed multiple bizare headline making crimes... rushed cameos cause they had no faith in the actual story... really dodgy cgi for a movie that was going to live or die on that... being based on Flashpoint itself which is not a particularly fondly remembered story... AND is completely unearned.... AND makes itself redundant by the end...

I also don't understand DC's obsession with the flashpoint story. The first movie about this character should not be ****ing flashpoint..flashpoint is dark and dire with no hope which means for that to impact at all you need the world to be bright and happy beforehand. Having flashpoint literally follow the Snyder movies does nothing because dark and dire is his entire universe.

It was an utterly stupid plan from day 1.

There's so much I disagree with here.

1. The movie has been ****ed for the past year + because of all the shit that Miller's done and they were in a lose-lose situation. Either move forward with Miller but not spend a shit ton in publicizing while risking not being break-even, re-cast Flash altogether, or not release the movie at all. I think WB did the best they could given the situation.

2. The movie was basically DOA when Gunn took over. The initial ending is not what was shown in theaters:

Spoiler!

Gadot and Keaton were supposed to be at the trial at the end in addition to Cavill's cameos being scrapped.

That basically leaves a Frankenstein monster where Muschietti has to end the DCEU while also leaving some room for Aquaman 2 (which I don't understand because chronologically Aquaman 2 should be before Flashpoint in terms continuity + interest, but whatever).

3. WTF do you mean it's not a fondly remembered story? The criticism with Flashpoint has more to do with what DC wrote after it-The New 52-not the story itself.

4. I completely disagree here. What should a Flash movie be given the context?
Batfleck was already announced as not being a thing before shooting, Cavill was announced as not being Superman in the future, and Jenkins not proposed WW3 being canceled because of WW84. Quite literally, they had no choice but to do Flashpoint.

I understand DC gets a lot of criticism (much of it deserved), but this movie doesn't deserve it. Yes, the CGI is shoddy at spots, but I think the plot + story was good and attempted to be faithful to the original lore and source material while providing fan service, unlike say, Rise of Skywalker.

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Spoiler!

I've always loved the Flash's story, it's the closest thing DC has to Spiderman, and they're very similar in alot of ways. But Barry Allen's story is great, that no matter how fast he can run, he can't escape his origin. He tries to change it, but it backfires horribly and he has to learn that he can't save everyone. It's such a great way to send that message that this movie was enjoyable in so many ways.

The only disappointing part of it, is that it leads to nowhere in James Gunns' universe now, especially with these box office numbers. If the movie made $150 million just in domestic this weekend, then maybe you could see Ezra come back if he kept clean and stopped being Ezra, but they kinda wasted Flashpoint in this movie. They did it well enough, bringing in Keaton, substituting Supergirl in for Superman, but the rest of the cast is just not there. There's no Aquaman in the main movie, no Wonder Woman besides for a laugh cameo, they didn't end it like the original story ended it, didn't introduce Thomas Wayne, didn't introduce the Reverse Flash which was probably a better move so they could showcase him with the next round of DCU superheroes, but still takes away the conflict and the antagonist from the movie and replaces it with a rehash of Zod's arrival on Earth.

At no point do I believe the iteration they present in the end of this movie will come back in another movie. I hope they bring back Sasha Calle as Supergirl though, she was really well done, so if you're going to take one of the characters and flesh out her origins in another dimension then I would hope it's her, but Ezra, Gal Gadot, Batfleck, or the other cameos, they're stuck in that timeline and won't get any more movies dedicated to them. Just cameo's in Gunn's universe, or Crisis on Infinite Earths, if they do that storyline. The Flashpoint storyline was just kinda wasted as an X-Men 3 the Last Stand way with the Phoenix Saga. Just hope when they redo it it's not a another movie that doesn't do it justice and it ends up being X-Men 3 the Last Stand followed by Dark Phoenix, and we're still waiting on a good version of the storyline. This movie was alot better than X-Men 3, but I couldn't escape that feeling after having watched it.

Spoiler!

There was no way they were going to a 100% copy of the comic storyline. Why introduce Thomas Wayne in a universe that is going nowhere? Keaton was brought in to also tie in with Batgirl, which was canceled, and I thought his character did a good job at replacing Thomas Wayne from the original story.

I would like to see Calle's Supergirl in the new universe, but given her movie was canceled, I find it unlikely. I think Mamoa's Aquaman could be in the new one since Barry mentions how Arthur is in every timeline (even as a dog) but not sure it would make sense to continue in that role.

And Gadot's WW has been so terribly mishandled in this entire universe aside from the first WW movie that I don't see any benefit of having her in the universe unless they do more than beyond giving her cameos or brief scenes.

[Rams Fan]

Man, the more I think about it, the more I realize Flash is getting ****ed over by how shit Batman vs Superman is.

Literally half of DC's problems wouldn't be a thing if that movie didn't exist.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Man, the more I think about it, the more I realize Flash is getting ****ed over by how shit Batman vs Superman is.

Literally half of DC's problems wouldn't be a thing if that movie didn't exist.

Just hear me out here..maybe just maybe they shouldn't have hired Zack Snyder?

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Just hear me out here..maybe just maybe they shouldn't have hired Zack Snyder?

Man of Steel was fine.

I don’t necessarily agree with all the decisions made, even the director’s cut of Batman vs Superman was still bad, but his version of Justice League was good.

WB should never have green lit Batman Vs Superman in the first place to launch the Justice League. And should have never felt like they were in a race with Marvel to do so. If they actually took time to do a Man of Steel sequel and a solo Batfleck movie, I think how we view the Snyderverse is a lot different.