The Flash

[Munson]

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mecca

No I really don't to be honest. But there's a reason a superhero movie made 55 million dollars in it's opening weekend, someone ****ed up.

Warner turned off all of the fans and ****ed it up, period.

the amount of money a film makes is not indicative of it's quality

case in point, the han solo movie

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Mecca

While I enjoy the Dark Knight something I've heard and I'll agree with is, that trilogy is literally just 3 crime drama's where they just add in Batman characters.

I don’t disagree which is why I tend to think Bale’s rendition to not be Batman.

It’s an else-world story.

Keaton, Affleck, and Pattinson do a much better job at depicting Batman than Bale does in part to their scripts being more faithful to the comics (aside from Batman Returns which is just Tim Burton doing Tim Burton shit).

TDK trilogy is great, but it’s its own thing. Pattinson’s Batman and the plot is probably the most faithful to the comics. While Batman vs Superman is a steaming pile of shit, Batfleck is actually pretty awesome and somewhere beneath the dogshit Superman story is an interesting Batman story.

Originally Posted by Mecca

No I really don't to be honest. But there's a reason a superhero movie made 55 million dollars in it's opening weekend, someone ****ed up.

Warner turned off all of the fans and ****ed it up, period.

WB ****ed up with BvS which turned off a shit ton of people from DC.

WB was ****ed in this situation because of Miller's situation as well as its previous movies. The best case for WB is Flash breaks even and they have a clean break for Gunn to do WTF he wants.

It's a damn shame because this movie is actually good and the negative media attention has moreso to do with Miller having mental health problems and decisions made by prior WB leadership as well as creative differences with Whedon and Snyder.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I don’t disagree which is why I tend to think Bale’s rendition to not be Batman.

It’s an else-world story.

Keaton, Affleck, and Pattinson do a much better job at depicting Batman than Bale does in part to their scripts being more faithful to the comics (aside from Batman Returns which is just Tim Burton doing Tim Burton shit).

TDK trilogy is great, but it’s its own thing. Pattinson’s Batman and the plot is probably the most faithful to the comics. While Batman vs Superman is a steaming pile of shit, Batfleck is actually pretty awesome and somewhere beneath the dogshit Superman story is an interesting Batman story.



WB ****ed up with BvS which turned off a shit ton of people from DC.

WB was ****ed in this situation because of Miller's situation as well as its previous movies. The best case for WB is Flash breaks even and they have a clean break for Gunn to do WTF he wants.

It's a damn shame because this movie is actually good and the negative media attention has moreso to do with Miller having mental health problems and decisions made by prior WB leadership as well as creative differences with Whedon and Snyder.

Good luck on it breaking even...it had a worse open than Black Adam which didn't break even...and Aquaman and is gonna tank hard because it literally only made money due to China and China isn't turning out for western flicks like they use to.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

the amount of money a film makes is not indicative of it's quality

case in point, the han solo movie

If your Superhero movie doesn't make money in this environment, you ****ed up.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Good luck on it breaking even...it had a worse open than Black Adam which didn't break even...and Aquaman and is gonna tank hard because it literally only made money due to China and China isn't turning out for western flicks like they use to.

I'm saying that would've been the best-case scenario prior to it being released.

Miller's problems started happening lasting year, pretty much either forcing WB to cancel Flash entirely after spending $200 million on it or still release it and hope they could recoup on their investment.

There's no way it breaks even, and this is probably the one time I think a DC movie should be doing way better in theaters than it is.

[Rams Fan]

It has an 85% audience rating on RT and 66% from critics.

This movie isn't dogshit and really isn't divisive. It's good.

****ing damn shame.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

It has an 85% audience rating on RT and 66% from critics.

This movie isn't dogshit and really isn't divisive. It's good.

****ing damn shame.

So in short Ezra Miller being a real shithead person tanked the movie?

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Mecca

So in short Ezra Miller being a real shithead person tanked the movie?

That combined with other opinions formed from existing DCEU movies, yes.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

That combined with other opinions formed from existing DCEU movies, yes.

That's probably more it, DC didn't earn any goodwill at all with all of the bad movies and issues they've had for years.

[Rams Fan]

The majority of gripes I've seen have been regarding the CGI, which at some points, is pretty shoddy.

Otherwise, the plot is good. The acting is good. The pacing is good. Are there things that could be better? Sure. But it's not a cookie-cutter super hero movie.

****, I'll go on record with this.

While Endgame is cool and good and does a great job at closing the Infinity saga, this does a better job at handling and explaining the multiverse as it's much more self-contained and not trying to expand the IP by launching TV shows or other movies.

inb4hate

Originally Posted by Mecca

That's probably more it, DC didn't earn any goodwill at all with all of the bad movies and issues they've had for years.

Which is warranted, but Muschietti wasn't part of the mess that Snyder/Whedon dealt with.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

The majority of gripes I've seen have been regarding the CGI, which at some points, is pretty shoddy.

Otherwise, the plot is good. The acting is good. The pacing is good. Are there things that could be better? Sure. But it's not a cookie-cutter super hero movie.

****, I'll go on record with this.

While Endgame is cool and good and does a great job at closing the Infinity saga, this does a better job at handling and explaining the multiverse as it's much more self-contained and not trying to expand the IP by launching TV shows or other movies.

inb4hate



Which is warranted, but Muschietti wasn't part of the mess that Snyder/Whedon dealt with.

I heard Batman explains why he's old with a noodle.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I heard Batman explains why he's old with a noodle.

Spoiler!

He does, which actually makes sense. And they have a Back to the Future reference with Stoltz being McFly.

Spaghetti reference also makes sense here because a large plot point is his dad being charged for murdering his mom and a can of tomatoes being on too low of shelf on footage to reveal his dad’s face when reaching for the can, as to to prove his alibi.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Otherwise, the plot is good. The acting is good. The pacing is good. Are there things that could be better? Sure. But it's not a cookie-cutter super hero movie.

I still can't believe how well they pulled off 70-year old Keaton Batman.

Particularly loved the "how much do you weigh" scene.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I heard Batman explains why he's old with a noodle.

Yes. That entire scene was brilliant TBH. It reminded me of something Tarantino would do.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The issue though is, if you take away what Superman is, you destroy him as a character. Him being moral and the boy scout is who he is, he does the right thing, if you make him this dark brooding dude who's mad about what happened to him and his dad etc...then he just becomes a Batman offshoot.

Idk, I guess I just didn't get that vibe from Man of Steel. The movie's tone was definitely darker and it employed muted colors, but I didn't get those vibes from Superman himself.

Not to mention, you really can strip those traits and he's still awesome. I'd point to the Injustice run for proof. He went full-on planet Earth despot and that was great.

Generally I'd agree, though. He's a moral character and it works best to lean on that. He's the shining beacon of hope in the DC universe.