Senior Bowl Thread

[Direckshun]

Weigh ins are in.

QBs largely suck, size-wise. Logan Thomas looks like a Greek god, though.

Tajh Boyd, 6'0", 222, 9 3/8" hand
Derek Carr, 6'2", 215, 9 1/8" hand
Aaron Murray, 6'0", 201, 9 1/8" hand
Logan Thomas, 6'5", 250 lbs, 10 3/4" hand

There were a few other guys as well, but they were all short tiny guys like Boyd, Carr, and Murray.

Sheesh. No physicality in the QBs this year.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Or the fact that they don't play the same position......or are even in the same defensive front.

He's been kicked out to the DE position quite a few times in the Pitt defense. Just watch this tape on him vs FSU. Tuitt is nowhere in the same neighborhood of consistency with his disruption of plays.


In contrast, here is Tuitt vs USC last year.


Which is the better player?

[The Franchise]

So you cherry picked one game from each player? Quick...let me go find Donald's worst game and Tuitt's best game for you to compare.

Funny....you haven't mentioned dick about Donald until he lit it up at the Senior Bowl. I on the other hand have been talking about Tuitt for 2 ****ing years now.

Feel free to go **** yourself on the way out.

[The Franchise]

Last two years?

Donald - 16.5 sacks
Tuitt - 19.5 sacks

[OldSchool]

Don't get my wrong, I like Tuitt if he could return to his 2012 form. But I think that the Chiefs aren't in need of any more big and slow run stuffers who only get coverage sacks and that is the category that I would put Tuitt in. Really need a pass rusher who can provide tons of pressure up the middle in nickel packages and take advantage of their 1 on 1 match-ups. Guys like Aaron Donald and Dominique Easley fill that roll the best.

[The Franchise]

So now Tuitt just gets coverage sacks.......

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So you cherry picked one game from each player? Quick...let me go find Donald's worst game and Tuitt's best game for you to compare.

Funny....you haven't mentioned dick about Donald until he lit it up at the Senior Bowl. I on the other hand have been talking about Tuitt for 2 ****ing years now.

Feel free to go **** yourself on the way out.

Not really, I pulled up games of them facing their best competition from last season that was available on Youtube. Feel free to try and find bad tape on Donald, lol, I haven't seen one yet. He really has one hell of a motor to go along with his physical abilities.


He gets washed out by double teams a few times against Miami but also beats them too.

[The Franchise]

Virginia. Quality opponent there.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So now Tuitt just gets coverage sacks.......

To put it more plainly, I don't think that Tuitt would be a difference maker as a pass rusher. As for Virginia being a quality opponent, that's why I posted the FSU tape instead. He absolutely dominated against potential NFL level talent. Again, all you have to do is watch his Florida State tape.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So you cherry picked one game from each player? Quick...let me go find Donald's worst game and Tuitt's best game for you to compare.

Funny....you haven't mentioned dick about Donald until he lit it up at the Senior Bowl. I on the other hand have been talking about Tuitt for 2 ****ing years now.

Feel free to go **** yourself on the way out.

One person is calling the other names, while the other is ignoring this and continuing to have a legitimate debate. I think I know who the asshole in this pissing contest is.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

One person is calling the other names, while the other is ignoring this and continuing to have a legitimate debate. I think I know who the asshole in this pissing contest is.

A legitimate debate?

He's the one comparing a 280 lb DT against a 315 lb 3-4 DE.

He's shown 3 YouTube videos for a player that just showed up at the Senior Bowl. I've debated about Tuitt for 2 years.

Excuse me if I don't give two ****s what either of you douchebags have to say on the matter.

[Dante84]

Just made the '14 visit/met with thread; waiting on it to be stickied but if y'all can throw names/pos/teams into it I'll start updating.

[OldSchool]

Donald actually isn't my favorite interior pass rusher that I've seen. It's Dominique Easley. However, Easley suffered a second ACL injury and who knows what that might do to his main weapon; his ability to explode off the snap. Will probably be available in the mid rounds due to his injury history and also his size concerns.

[The Franchise]

Tuesday's 2014 Senior Bowl Practice Report: North

By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

The North team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their second practice of the Senior Bowl. The Atlanta Falcons coaching staff had the players practicing in full pads. Atlanta's staff kept the North squad going at a good pace and at a reasonably physical level. The players started the session with some installation and work in individual position groups. After that the North did a few one-on-one sessions, a few periods of special teams work and a team scrimmage. Here is a rundown of the noteworthy players.

The temperatures were in the 50s and windy. The wind was effecting the passers, especially when throwing to the sideline or downfield. WalterFootball.com spoke with some offensive coaches and they all agreed that Logan Thomas' arm was better than Clemson's Tajh Boyd or Miami's Stephen Morris. The Virginia Tech product could get the ball to the sideline on the deep out throwing into the wind, while Boyd's and Morris's passes took more time to get there.

However, it was a typical showing from Thomas with great physical skill on display but inaccuracy and missed opportunities. In the seven-on-seven and the team scrimmage, Thomas had a number of passes off the mark to open receivers. He threw over the head of a receiver in double coverage on the team scrimmage, and in some ways, he was fortunate as the defensive backs were in good position to make a play on the ball. Thomas had a receiver running wide open down the sideline into the end zone for a potential 50-yard touchdown, but held onto the ball too long and didn't anticipate the receiver coming open quick enough. That led to a pass thrown too late, so a safety was able to come over the top and break up the ball at the goal line. Scouts and coaches really like Thomas' physical skill set, but his play continues to fall short of where it could be.

Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd had a mixed day. He had some nice plays and also made some mistakes. Boyd fired a nice bullet to Wisconsin tight end Jacob Pederson in zone coverage during the team scrimmage. Boyd used his mobility to escape pressure on a few plays and threw a fastball to Wisconsin's Jared Abbrederis for a completion on a slant.

Boyd has room for improvement on his accuracy. He also seems to be out of sync with these receivers. Boyd leads them too often, and it appears he is expecting them to be faster than they are. That is somewhat understandable considering since Boyd is used to throwing to passes to Sammy Watkins, DeAndre Hopkins and some other young talents at Clemson. However, Boyd needs to improve his ball placement and accuracy going forward.

The same could be said for Miami's Stephen Morris. In the team scrimmage, he had a good completion that found Oregon wide out Josh Huff open in zone coverage for a gain in the middle of the field. Morris also had a well-thrown pass to Pedersen running down the middle seam, but the tight end dropped the ball.

Of the wide receivers on the North squad, Huff and Abbrederis are the most consistent. Both look like nice weapons as slot receivers in the NFL.

West Virginia running back Charles Sims has been solid through two days as well. He had a good gain on a screen pass in the team scrimmage as he set up his blocks and pulled away downfield. Sims has nice vision and is put together. He is a sleeper back who could turn into a nice contributor.

The defensive lineman who had the best practice was Minnesota defensive tackle Ra'Shede Hageman. He was an absolute force at beating offensive linemen with power and speed. Hageman beat Colorado State center Weston Richburg with a bull rush. A strong rip was employed to gain leverage on Michigan's Michael Schofield as Hageman surged his way into the marker. Hageman also rocked Zack Martin off balance with the initial surge and then used his speed to run by Martin to the quarterback marker. To finish off the one-on-ones, Hageman beat Cyril Richardson with speed and strength. Richburg earned a draw on one play, but overall, Hageman consistently made it into the backfield during the one-on-ones and team scrimmage. The Senior Bowl is letting Hageman demonstrate why he belongs in the first round next May.

Falcons offensive line coach had Zack Martin play guard on Tuesday. He excelled at left tackle for Notre Dame and was phenomenal there on Monday. However, moving him to the inside gave him problems with the size and power of the interior defensive linemen. Martin really struggled with Ra'Shede Hageman, but Hageman is a first-round talent. If Martin (6-4, 305) is moved inside to guard in the NFL, he is going to need to add more power to take on heavy defensive tackles. However, Martin may not have the frame to add much more.

Another defender who had a good day was Louisville outside linebacker Marcus Smith. He beat Martin with a speed rush around the edge in the one-on-ones. During the team scrimmage, Smith was able to charge off the edge and did a nice job of leaping to bat a pass down. He also had a tackle for a loss as he pushed Pedersen into the backfield before shedding him and stuffing Wisconsin running back James White behind the line.

Smith ate up the running backs and tight ends in the blitzing one-one-ones. He beat Pedersen with speed and then pushed him to the side. Smith also beat Marshall tight end Gator Hoskins off the edge, though Hoskins was the only one to win a rep against Smith. Iowa's C.J. Fiedorowicz also lost to Smith's speed rush. The nation's second-leading sacker in 2013, Smith didn't have big impact on the first day, but he was much more active on Tuesday.

Pittsburgh defensive tackle Aaron Donald was a superstar on Monday. On Tuesday, he had another solid showing, but he didn't dominate like he did in the first session. Donald used his speed to beat Miami's Brandon Linder in the one-on-ones. Donald had draw going against Richburg as he got some pressure in the pocket before being stopped. During the team scrimmage, Donald fired into the backfield to cause an incompletion on a three-step drop by Tajh Boyd. Donald was so disruptive off the snap that the play was going nowhere from the get-go. Through two days, Donald has done well for himself in Mobile.

Miami offensive linemen Brandon Kinder - guard - and Seantrel Henderson -tackle - had some struggles on Tuesday. North Carolina defensive end Kareem Martin beat Henderson with an impressive bull rush. He put the big tackle on roller skates as he pushed Henderson straight back into the backfield. Linder was beaten by Connecticut's Shamar Stephen on a bull rush. Mike Tice was working with Henderson on his hand placement. The Hurricanes tackle has excellent size and a good skill set, he but needs refinement. WalterFootball.com heard from coaches who really like Henderson's skill set.

Stanford outside linebacker Trent Murphy had a better day on Tuesday than his Monday practice. He beat Ohio State offensive tackle Jack Mewhort during the team scrimmage with a speed rush to get what would have been a sack of Logan Thomas. Murphy repeated that when he killed Mewhort with a speed rush to force Tajh Boyd out of the pocket on a rollout. Murphy also had some wins in the one-on-ones and took advantage of Mewhort. Following Monday's practice, this was a nice bounceback performance for Murphy.

An offensive lineman who showed improvement on Tuesday was Clemson's Brandon Thomas. The tackle had an impressive win against Kareem Martin when he rode him around the pocket before pushing Martin into the turf. Thomas rode West Virginia's Will Clarke around the pocket as well.

Washington State safety Deone Bucannon had perhaps the biggest hit of the Tuesday practice when he flew over to the sideline to rock James White about 20 yards downfield after the back broke off a nice run. Bucannon has the reputation of being a hard hitter, which he showed on that play.

While White got blasted on that carry, he had a very impressive session in blitz pickup. That's huge for White as his role in the NFL will probably have a lot of third-down and receiving-back responsibilities. He had a nice win going against Iowa linebacker Christian Kirksey. White finished the session by sliding and sustaining a block against Illinois linebacker Jonathan Brown. White's lone ugly rep came as college teammate Chris Borland beat him with a swim move. White was never the feature back at Wisconsin, and he's helping himself at the Senior Bowl.

Stanford tight end/fullback Ryan Hewitt had an interesting session. He was beaten by Missouri's Michael Sam on a speed rush around the edge, but Hewitt came back to get a nice win against Kirksey. Hewitt also lost a rep to Brown when Brown shed a block and tossed him to the side.

A few other highlights from the blitz-pickup one-on-ones included Kirksey running over Toledo's David Fluellen for a win and beating Fluellen on the rematch with a bull rush. Charles Sims had an impressive win against UCLA's Jordan Zumwalt before losing the next two reps against Zumwalt. Sims and Zumwalt had some good battles going.

[The Franchise]

Tuesday's 2014 Senior Bowl Practice Report: South

By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

The South team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their second practice of the Senior Bowl. The Jacksonville Jaguars' coaching staff had the players practicing in full pads. They started the session with some install and work in individual position groups. After that, they did a lot of one-on-one sessions, a few periods of special teams work and a team scrimmage. Here is a run down of the noteworthy prospects.

Unfortunately there was a tragedy for the draft hopes of Oklahoma cornerback Aaron Colvin. On a one-on-one rep against Florida's Solomon Patton, the two got their feet tangled, and Colvin landed awkwardly on the ground. He was helped off the field and received attention from the training staff. It turned out that Colvin has a torn ACL, which will knock him out of pre-draft workouts and could impact when he can start practicing during his rookie season. Hopefully Colvin makes a quick recovery.

The Senior Bowl announced that Tennessee offensive tackle Ju'Wuan James (knee sprain), Fresno State tight end Marcel Jensen (abdominal sprain) and Alabama defensive end Ed Stinson (groin sprain) all pulled out of the Senior Bowl with their selective injuries. Colorado State tight end Crockett Gilmore will be added on Wednesday.

Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr has made a positive impression on a lot of observers this week. During the 11-on-11 scrimmage, Carr had a nice play where he rolled out to his right and threw a pass on the money downfield along the sideline. He had another completion in the team scrimmage, but on the play, he would have been sacked by BYU linebacker Kyle Van Noy. Van Noy came around Carr's blind side and had him dead in the backfield if there had been hitting of the quarterback.

Eastern Illinois quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo had some nice throws and has played well. He's a step behind Carr in terms of readiness, but WalterFootball.com knows some scouts and coaches that have been impressed with Garoppolo.

San Jose State quarterback David Fales had a mixed outing. In the team scrimmage, Fales had a nice play when he rolled out and hit Jordan Matthews open in zone coverage. Fales later fumbled ball, and it wasn't clear if anybody actually hit him or he just lost the ball as the pocket collapsed around him. Arkansas edge rusher Chris Smith may have slapped the ball out.

Tennessee defensive tackle Daniel McCullers had a good practice on Tuesday. He did very well in the one-on-ones. McCullers started out by beating Arkansas center Travis Swanson by bull rushing him straight back. He did the same thing to Florida State center Bryan Stork, North Dakota State lineman Billy Turner and Oklahoma center Gabe Ikard. McCullers doesn't have a lot of pass-rushing moves, but he is so massive he can have success with bull rushes even when blockers know that it's coming. McCullers needs to play with proper leverage and pad level, but when he gets his weight low, he is tough to stop. In the team scrimmage, McCullers pushed his way into the backfield to trip up running back Jerick McKinnon for a loss of a few yards. He also stuffed another run. McCullers would fit well as a 3-4 nose tackle.

Virginia defensive end/tackle Brent Urban had a good day. He beat Nevada's Joe Bitonio with a bull rush to win a a rep. He shed a block from Ikard for another win, but Urban lost going against Mississippi State's Gabe Jackson. Urban looks like he would fit best as a 3-4 defensive end.

Jackson was the most impressive offensive lineman on the South team. He had a nice win against Princeton's Caraun Reid and did good job of run blocking in the team scrimmage. The powerful Jackson looks ready to play in the NFL right now.

Auburn defensive end/outside linebacker Dee Ford was impressive again. He is so fast off the edge, he is tough for offensive tackles to handle. Ford burned Billy Turner with a speed rush around the edge. He followed that up flying by Vanerbilt's Wes Johnson, Virginia's Morgan Moses and Turner again.

Turner is raw and needs development, but he flashes the ability to get the job done. He did beat Ford on one rep and Turner also stuffed a rush from Arizona State's Will Sutton. Turner easily beat Alabama's Adrian Hubbard on one lackluster rush in which Hubbard looked like he was playing containment. Hubbard came back to get Turner with a speed rush. Arkansas' Chris Smith beat Turner badly with a speed rush and then a spin move. Turner looks like a day-three project.

Smith had a good practice on Tuesday. He used his speed to get a lot of pressure in the backfield. He showed the ability to drop his hips when he dipped underneath Florida guard/tackle Jon Halapio to win a rep. He used a blinding spin move to beat Turner. The only rep he looked bad in was when Morgan Moses got a hold of him and pushed him around the field. Smith has a nice assortment of moves, and 3-4 teams have to be thinking hard about him as an edge rusher.

Arizona State defensive tackle Will Sutton continues to be slowed down by the bad weight he gained. He had a bull rush go nowhere against Halapio. Sutton needs to go back to playing around 300 pounds and just live and die by his speed.

Cal defensive tackle DeAndre Coleman, Florida guard Jon Halapio, Georgia Tech outside linebacker Jeremiah Attaochu, Princeton defensive tackle Caraun Reid and Vanerbilt's Wesley Johnson all had some impressive wins and bad losses.

Western Kentucky running back Antonio Andrews had a solid session in the blitz pickup one-on-ones. He had a nice block to beat Vanderbilt safety Kenny Ladler. Andrews had a draw against LSU safety Craig Loston and mirrored Georgia Tech safety Jemea Thomas to push him away from the quarterback marker. In a mismatch, Andrews lost to Alabama linebacker Adrian Hubbard as he pushed Andrews straight back.

Auburn fullback Jay Prosch had a rough day. He really struggled in blitz pickup. Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu beat him twice with bull rushes. Florida State linebacker Christian Jones beat him with speed around him and Alabama's Adrian Hubbard used power to go through Prosch. LSU's Lamin Borrow also beat him with a bull rush. BYU's Kyle Van Noy abused Prosch with a blinding spin move, but to end the session Prosch got a degree of revenge when he initially stopped Van Noy when he tried to use the same move for a second time. On a second effort Van Noy got to the quarterback marker, but it took some time and an NFL quarterback could have gotten a pass off. Prosch is a powerful lead blocker in the ground game, but his pass protection needs work for the NFL.

LSU's Lamin Borrow flashed on Tuesday. He was physical and was flying around the field. He had some nice plays in run defense.

One running back who had an eventful day was Georgia Southern's Jerick McKinnon. He really struggled in blitz protection. Considering how Georgia Southern almost exclusively runs the ball, that shouldn't have been a surprise to scouts. McKinnon was beat on power bull rush by Montana linebacker Jordan Tripp. LSU's Lamin Borrow pushed him to the side on a swim move, and it was obvious that McKinnon is a big time work in progress as a blocker. However, he really excelled in the team scrimmage as a runner. On one of the first plays, McKinnon broke off a long run on a counter that he cut to the right side. In an insant, McKinnon was about 40 yards downfield before a defender got close to him. On a run to the right, Arkansas' Chris Smith had a bead on him in the backfield, but McKinnon broke Smith's ankles with a juke move to bolt to the left side. McKinnon used his cutting ability to make another defender miss in the box on another run. McKinnon is an interesting back to keep an eye on as this year's "Zac Stacy" or "Alfred Morris" as a third-day pick that makes an immediate impact as a runner.

Utah cornerback Keith McGill was impressive. He did well in the one-on-ones and looked fluid in the defensive back drills for such a bigger cornerback (6-3, 214). To get his one-on-ones started, McGill jammed Jordan Matthews hard and stayed with him to slap a pass away. It was a near interception for McGill. Matthews couldn't get separation from McGill on two other routes, but Matthews did out fight McGill for a reception. McGill will interest teams that want to employ big corners on the edge.

Florida cornerback Jaylen Watkins also had a good day. He moves well and has some agility to go with speed. That shouldn't be surprising considering he's the brother of Sammy Watkins, but the Gators have been loaded at corner in recent years so Watkins has flown under the radar. Watkins was beaten by Tulane's Ryan Grant deep and had to resort to a pass interference to break up a pass. He came back to have tight coverage on a number of plays. In the team scrimmage, he blanketed Jordan Matthews running a go route down the sideline to force an incompletion. Watkins also blew up a wide receiver screen and was able to slap the ball out for a forced fumble. Watkins is an interesting sleeper to keep an eye. He has athleticism, but needs to improve his ability to play the ball.

BYU wide receiver Cody Hoffman had a nice day. He showed some strength and route-running to get some completions in the one-on-ones. To get it started, he shoved Liberty cornerback Walt Aikens away when Aikens tried to jam him and Hoffman was quickly open on a slant. He beat Aikens on a comeback route and outfought another defensive back for a reception on a slant. A lack of speed hurts Hoffman, but he makes up for it in other ways.

Texas wide receiver Mike Davis had a pretty play when he burned Auburn cornerback Chris Davis with a stop and go route. Chris Davis bit badly on the fake, and Mike Davis got wide open running along the sideline. Chris Davis needs to improve his eye discipline.

[The Franchise]

Apparently Carr has been staying after every practice with WRs working on timing.