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Old 11-13-2019, 05:54 PM   #31
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Maybe but the dude from college with the long hair might be better
When plays with kn himself as pocket passer with solid mechanics, he's great but when he attempts to improvise on the run like PMII or Rodgers his game starts to shit
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Old 11-13-2019, 05:56 PM   #32
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Lamar Jackson is catching up.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

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Old 11-13-2019, 06:04 PM   #33
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Lamar Jackson is catching up.
Lamar isn't even in the same stratosphere as Mahomes when it comes to throwing the ball.
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:08 PM   #34
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Lamar isn't even in the same stratosphere as Mahomes when it comes to throwing the ball.
Heís not as bad as you think throwing the ball. And he doesnít have the WR skill set Mahomes has.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

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Old 11-13-2019, 06:12 PM   #35
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He’s not as bad as you think throwing the ball. And he doesn’t have the WR skill set Mahomes has.

I don't think he's bad throwing the ball, he's just not anywhere close to the level Mahomes is when it comes to passing. He doesn't have anywhere close to the strength or accuracy, nor does he have the ability to throw well from multiple platforms or arm angles. The ability of the receivers doesn't have anything to do with it. Lamar is a good player and is killing it in the system he's in, but the arm talent between the two is not even close.
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:38 PM   #36
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Heís not as bad as you think throwing the ball. And he doesnít have the WR skill set Mahomes has.
Lamar has padded his stats against the 2 worst teams in the league.
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I don't think he's bad throwing the ball, he's just not anywhere close to the level Mahomes is when it comes to passing. He doesn't have anywhere close to the strength or accuracy, nor does he have the ability to throw well from multiple platforms or arm angles. The ability of the receivers doesn't have anything to do with it. Lamar is a good player and is killing it in the system he's in, but the arm talent between the two is not even close.
It's not just arm strength/talent either.

Mahomes greatest skills lie in being able to throw on time, manipulate defensive players so that he can throw guys open, place the ball perfectly at extreme distances into the hands of receivers while they are running full speed, etc. Lamar isn't anywhere close to that right now. And he may never get there. It's a Montana-like talent.

But Lamar is getting better as a passer. His accuracy has improved on longer throws. And that can be seen both statistically and in the eye test. I don't know if he'll ever be 'elite' as a passer, but he could end up being better than Kirk Cousins or Dak, etc. But most of that will be dependent on how far he progresses between his ears, not in his physical ability to throw the ball.
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:13 PM   #38
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It's not just arm strength/talent either.

Mahomes greatest skills lie in being able to throw on time, manipulate defensive players so that he can throw guys open, place the ball perfectly at extreme distances into the hands of receivers while they are running full speed, etc. Lamar isn't anywhere close to that right now. And he may never get there. It's a Montana-like talent.

But Lamar is getting better as a passer. His accuracy has improved on longer throws. And that can be seen both statistically and in the eye test. I don't know if he'll ever be 'elite' as a passer, but he could end up being better than Kirk Cousins or Dak, etc. But most of that will be dependent on how far he progresses between his ears, not in his physical ability to throw the ball.
Won't matter . Lamar will eventually get injured just like RGIII
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It's not just arm strength/talent either.

Mahomes greatest skills lie in being able to throw on time, manipulate defensive players so that he can throw guys open, place the ball perfectly at extreme distances into the hands of receivers while they are running full speed, etc. Lamar isn't anywhere close to that right now. And he may never get there. It's a Montana-like talent.

But Lamar is getting better as a passer. His accuracy has improved on longer throws. And that can be seen both statistically and in the eye test. I don't know if he'll ever be 'elite' as a passer, but he could end up being better than Kirk Cousins or Dak, etc. But most of that will be dependent on how far he progresses between his ears, not in his physical ability to throw the ball.

Couldn't agree more with that second paragraph. But I don't think Lamar will ever be as great in the passing game as Mahomes is. That's not a knock on the guy either, that's just how insanely good Patrick is.
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Lamar is just a taller version of Vick who does not possess Vick's arm. Vick had a pretty good cannon and was fairly accurate IIRC. Now with that said, can his arm get better? Maybe but I seriously doubt it.
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Heís not as bad as you think throwing the ball. And he doesnít have the WR skill set Mahomes has.
Jackson isn't garbage as a passer.

But he isn't even in the same orbit as Mahomes. Mahomes is the most consistent QB I have ever seen in converting hopelessness to a first down. He also consistently makes eye popping plays with his arm/body control like no other QB in NFL history. Jackson has a decent arm and a great set of wheels, but I will be shocked if he is mentioned in the top 20 QBs of all time when he is done. Without a career ending injury I expect PM will be in the top 5. Longevity and championships are the major roadblocks to GOAT.
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Heís not as bad as you think throwing the ball. And he doesnít have the WR skill set Mahomes has.
Lamar Jackson has a better defense and offensive line. The offense is geared to help Jackson and his very specialized skill sets.

I argue the Baltimore helps Jackson more than Chiefs help Mahomes despite the better weapons in KC. Mahomes would shred with Baltimore's running game and offensive line and a defense giving him a short field.

Andy Reid throws the entire team on Mahomes' back and tells him to 'go win'.

Shitty Defense
Weak offensive line
mistake-prone Special teams
mediocre running game
suspect coaching staff

That's very difficult for a young QB.
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Lamar is just a taller version of Vick who does not possess Vick's arm. Vick had a pretty good cannon and was fairly accurate IIRC. Now with that said, can his arm get better? Maybe but I seriously doubt it.
Jackson has an absolute rocket for an arm but is average at best in terms of accuracy. His problem is over throws, but he can make big boy throws that you need a strong arm to consistently make (outs/comebacks). Oh, and heís an elite, elite athlete who terrorizes defenses by keeping them guessing. His arm is good enough to have a Vick like prime, and he probably wonít get locked up
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Lamar Jackson has a better defense and offensive line. The offense is geared to help Jackson and his very specialized skill sets.

I argue the Baltimore helps Jackson more than Chiefs help Mahomes despite the better weapons in KC. Mahomes would shred with Baltimore's running game and offensive line and a defense giving him a short field.

Andy Reid throws the entire team on Mahomes' back and tells him to 'go win'.

Shitty Defense
Weak offensive line
mistake-prone Special teams
mediocre running game
suspect coaching staff

That's very difficult for a young QB.
Of course, some of the offensive line issues can always be chalked up to the Chiefs missing oh I don't know... something like three goddamn ****ing starters up front... or something like that?
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