Chiefs Andy blames himself, not Alex, for Chiefs' sputtering offense - Page 14

ShowtimeSBMVP · 10-16-2013, 10:05 AM

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- When you're 6-0 and coming off a 2-14 season, there really shouldn't be any complaining.

There can't be a football fan or scout or executive anywhere on the planet who could have forecast the amazing turnaround general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid have conducted with the Chiefs -- certainly not to the extent of a 6-0 start.

But -- and isn't there always a but? -- there is one small area of concern that even Reid himself continues to address: a sluggish offense.

The Chiefs are 25th in the NFL in offense, chugging along at just 326 yards per game, a remarkably low figure for a team unbeaten this far into the season.

No one is more aware of the offense's struggles than Reid. The offense is his baby.

"Listen, I'm never going to make excuses," Reid said Monday. "That's not how we roll here. But the reality of it is we're a little young, but we have to get better.

"I see some phases we're getting better at. But I've got to do a better job of getting these guys in the right position to succeed. We've all got a little piece of the pie to get things right. We're learning on the fly, but we're going to get better."

The Chiefs likely will have to. Fans in this area have seen this script before. They've seen the Chiefs' teams of the 1990s soar through the regular season on the strength of their overpowering defenses and elite special teams.

Then those fans saw the same teams misfire in the postseason, mainly because the offense couldn't step up and contribute when it had to.

To avoid revisiting that script, the Chiefs must get more production out of quarterback Alex Smith, whose numbers keep sinking.

Smith is 26th in the league in passing yards at just 221.7 per game. He's also 20th in the league with a passer rating of 79.8.

But if you're looking for Reid to point any fingers toward Smith, you'll have a long wait.

Reid knows what kind of team he has. He knows, outside of Jamaal Charles and at times Dwayne Bowe, he doesn't have an explosive offense.

Reid also knows you can win in this league simply by not messing up, and letting the opponent beat itself. The Chiefs are No. 1 in the league in turnover ratio at plus-12, and don't have the appearance of a team that will beat itself anytime soon.

"Not turning the ball over is very important to us," Reid said, "especially when you have a solid defense like we have and the kicking game we have, both from our punter and our kicker."

In that respect, Smith is giving Reid all he needs, even if the offense has that familiar conservative look of the '90s. After all, there is a fine line between wanting more offensive production, and opening the offense up so much that more turnovers occur. Reid isn't likely to stand for that.

"You want to always start off by protecting the ball," Reid said. "There's no fine line there for me. ...

"Alex is doing that. And we need to point out the way Alex continues to manage this offense."

And that is the key in Reid's mind: He simply wants Smith to manage the game, which also includes managing the different personalities in the huddle.

"We've got a guy at quarterback, this kid, he's a stud," Reid said. "The things he does for this team is unbelievable. He's making people around him better. He takes the blame for things -- that's what good leaders do.

"At the same time, he's able to teach and explain to other guys with a clear head. Those are valuable things for us as coaches to see. I'm very pleased with the job (Smith) is doing."

In Reid's mind, let the other quarterbacks around the league possess the pretty passing numbers; Reid will take the ultimate one that counts. That is, for now, 6-0.

Still, Reid also has been around long enough to know that his offense will have to improve as the season wears on, even if it's just incrementally.

And that will be up to Reid himself as the play-caller and architect of the offense, something Reid has mentioned almost every week.

"I think we have done some good things, but we have plenty to work on," Reid said. "I don't think I've done a very good job of putting guys in position to make plays. That has been obvious at times. I have to do a better job."

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KC_Connection · 10-16-2013, 10:41 PM

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Why were they only able to score 3 points versus the Vikings in the 2009 playoffs? Is that the fault of the defense?

Considering they allowed 34 points that game, yeah, that loss was partially on their defense. Romo played a poor game, but Dallas got beat by a better team on the road, there was nothing all that surprising about it.

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Go ahead and quote where I "apologized" for Alex Smith's poor play the past two weeks, dumb****.

Seriously? All you do is defend his mediocrity. As if he's somehow any significant part of why the Chiefs are 6-0. You've even been doing it throughout this thread.

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Unlike you, Butt****, I actually attended KU and receive requests for donations each year.

I attended KU for 6 years. Try again, clown.

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And unlike you, I was ****ing pissed off beyond belief when Self lost in the first round of the NCAA playoffs to dickbag teams like Bucknell and Bradley.

Such is the nature of a one-off, 64 team crapshoot. You're going to have a few upsets every once in a while when you're always good. But I'm not going to bother explaining how KU has been the most successful program in the sport since 2003 (considering both the regular season and the post season) to a guy who clearly lacks the perspective needed to understand such a fact in the first place.

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That's because you're certified reerun.

Yeah, I think Alex Smith is a mediocre QB and Bill Self is a great college basketball coach. Some real reeruned opinions there!

Please stop, Dane, before you embarrass yourself any further.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-16-2013, 10:44 PM

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Considering they allowed 34 points that game, yeah, that loss was partially on their defense. Romo played a poor game, but Dallas got beat by a better team on the road, there was nothing all that surprising about it.

Apologist.

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Seriously? All you do is defend his mediocrity. As if he's somehow any significant part of why the Chiefs are 6-0. You've even been doing in throughout this thread.

Bullshit. Quote me, ****bag or shut the **** up.

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I attended KU for 6 years. Try again, clown.

Six years with no degree, I assume.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Such is the nature of a one-off, 64 team crapshoot. You're going to have a few upsets every once in a while. But I'm not going to bother explaining how KU has been the most successful program in the sport since 2003 (considering both the regular season and the post season) to a guy who clearly lacks the perspective needed to understand such a fact in the first place.

Apologist

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Yeah, I think Alex Smith is a mediocre QB and Bill Self is a great college basketball coach. Some real reeruned opinions there!

Please stop, clown, before you embarrass yourself any further.

The only person that's been embarrassed is you.

Tony Romo was directly responsible for the WC loss against Seattle.

The Cowboys were 13-3 with home field and lost in the first round.

They could only score 3 points in a DIVISIONAL MATCH UP.

They haven't done dick since and they're on their way to their usual lame ass record.

You can defend your lover all you want but it doesn't excuse him from being a choker.

Sorter · 10-16-2013, 10:46 PM

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This dude

Loki?

KC_Connection · 10-16-2013, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Apologist.

No, Dane, unlike you I deal in facts, not bullshit. Dallas has been a tremendously flawed team with a poor defense for nearly the entirety of Romo's run there. While you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore that, he's not to blame for them not being a success. In fact, he should be credited with keeping them as mediocre as he has.

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Bullshit. Quote me, ****bag or shut the **** up.

Now you're really going to deny that you're a Smith apologist? Come on, now.

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Six years with no degree, I assume.

Two actually.

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Tony Romo was directly responsible for the WC loss against Seattle.

The Cowboys were 13-3 with home field and loss in the first round.

They could only score 3 points in a DIVISIONAL MATCH UP.

All losses and seasons that had much more to do with the rest of those mediocre teams than anything Romo did.

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They haven't done dick since and they're on their way to their usual lame ass record.

Because they don't play defense and haven't for four seasons now. Again, not Romo's fault.

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You can defend your lover all you want but it doesn't excuse him from being a choker.

Three playoff losses while quarterbacking flawed teams doesn't really suggest such a thing. The fact that he's been the best 4th quarter QB in the sport since he arrived even suggests the opposite.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-16-2013, 10:54 PM

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No, Dane, unlike you I deal in facts, not bullshit. Dallas has been a tremendously flawed team with a poor defense for nearly the entirety of Romo's run there. While you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore that, he's not to blame for them not being a success. In fact, he should be credited with keeping them as mediocre as he has.

Now you're really going to deny that you're a Smith apologist? Come on, now.

Two actually.

All losses and seasons that had much more to do with the rest of those mediocre teams than anything Romo did.

Because they don't play defense and haven't for four seasons now. Again, not Romo's fault.

Three playoff losses while quarterbacking flawed teams doesn't really suggest such a thing. The fact that he's been the best 4th quarter QB in the sport since he arrived even suggests the opposite.

Hitler would be embarrassed if you had worked for him.

JFC.

KC_Connection · 10-16-2013, 10:55 PM

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Hitler would be embarrassed if you had worked for him.

JFC.

From the guy who thinks Alex Smith is a good quarterback and Bill Self is a bad basketball coach everyone!

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-16-2013, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

From the guy who thinks Alex Smith is a good quarterback and Bill Self is a bad basketball coach everyone!

Your ass must hurt from all the bullshit it's sprayed this evening.

Good luck with that.

KC_Connection · 10-16-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Your ass must hurt from all the bullshit it's sprayed this evening.

Good luck with that.

Facts, Dane. You'd do well to use a few of them every now and then around here.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-16-2013, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Facts, Dane. You'd do well to use a few of them every now and then around here.

Go suck off Romo elsewhere, Dipshit

JENKINSWINS · 10-16-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

From the guy who thinks Alex Smith is a good quarterback and Bill Self is a bad basketball coach everyone!

How many other QBs have gone 25-5-1 over the last 3 seasons? That's better than good. Who else had a losing record last year and is 6-0 this year? No one!

KC_Connection · 10-16-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Go suck off Romo elsewhere, Dipshit

Keep living in your delusions, clown. Maybe Smith should even be coaching KU basketball with all his game managing ability and leadership qualities. That way we can kill two birds with one stone!

KC_Connection · 10-16-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

How many other QBs have gone 25-5-1 over the last 3 seasons? That's better than good. Who else had a losing record last year and is 6-0 this year? No one!

The better question to ask is how many other QBs got the benefit of playing behind a top 2 defense over each of those 3 seasons.

JENKINSWINS · 10-16-2013, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The better question to ask is how many other QBs got the benefit of playing behind a top 2 defense over each of those 3 seasons.

Actually the better way to think about it is in those last 3 seasons both teams brought on new coaches one kept Smith and the other one did everything he could to get him. Looks like both made the right decisions. Stick to your day job and let these highly trained coaches do their jobs.

KC_Connection · 10-16-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS

Actually the better way to think about it is in those last 3 seasons both teams brought on new coaches one kept Smith and the other one did everything he could to get him. Looks like both made the right decisions. Stick to your day job and let these highly trained coaches do their jobs.

Smith has really propelled that Chiefs defense this year, hasn't he? I don't know where they'd be without him.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-16-2013, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Keep living in your delusions, clown. Maybe Smith should even be coaching KU basketball with all his game managing ability and leadership qualities. That way we can kill two birds with one stone!

Could you be any ****ing dumber?

And I'm

that you're still butthurt over comments I made in 2005 about Bill Self.

Obsess much?

10-16-2013, 10:05 AM
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3686009	Andy blames himself, not Alex, for Chiefs' sputtering offense KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- When you're 6-0 and coming off a 2-14 season, there really shouldn't be any complaining. There can't be a football fan or scout or executive anywhere on the planet who could have forecast the amazing turnaround general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid have conducted with the Chiefs -- certainly not to the extent of a 6-0 start. But -- and isn't there always a but? -- there is one small area of concern that even Reid himself continues to address: a sluggish offense. The Chiefs are 25th in the NFL in offense, chugging along at just 326 yards per game, a remarkably low figure for a team unbeaten this far into the season. No one is more aware of the offense's struggles than Reid. The offense is his baby. "Listen, I'm never going to make excuses," Reid said Monday. "That's not how we roll here. But the reality of it is we're a little young, but we have to get better. "I see some phases we're getting better at. But I've got to do a better job of getting these guys in the right position to succeed. We've all got a little piece of the pie to get things right. We're learning on the fly, but we're going to get better." The Chiefs likely will have to. Fans in this area have seen this script before. They've seen the Chiefs' teams of the 1990s soar through the regular season on the strength of their overpowering defenses and elite special teams. Then those fans saw the same teams misfire in the postseason, mainly because the offense couldn't step up and contribute when it had to. To avoid revisiting that script, the Chiefs must get more production out of quarterback Alex Smith, whose numbers keep sinking. Smith is 26th in the league in passing yards at just 221.7 per game. He's also 20th in the league with a passer rating of 79.8. But if you're looking for Reid to point any fingers toward Smith, you'll have a long wait. Reid knows what kind of team he has. He knows, outside of Jamaal Charles and at times Dwayne Bowe, he doesn't have an explosive offense. Reid also knows you can win in this league simply by not messing up, and letting the opponent beat itself. The Chiefs are No. 1 in the league in turnover ratio at plus-12, and don't have the appearance of a team that will beat itself anytime soon. "Not turning the ball over is very important to us," Reid said, "especially when you have a solid defense like we have and the kicking game we have, both from our punter and our kicker." In that respect, Smith is giving Reid all he needs, even if the offense has that familiar conservative look of the '90s. After all, there is a fine line between wanting more offensive production, and opening the offense up so much that more turnovers occur. Reid isn't likely to stand for that. "You want to always start off by protecting the ball," Reid said. "There's no fine line there for me. ... "Alex is doing that. And we need to point out the way Alex continues to manage this offense." And that is the key in Reid's mind: He simply wants Smith to manage the game, which also includes managing the different personalities in the huddle. "We've got a guy at quarterback, this kid, he's a stud," Reid said. "The things he does for this team is unbelievable. He's making people around him better. He takes the blame for things -- that's what good leaders do. "At the same time, he's able to teach and explain to other guys with a clear head. Those are valuable things for us as coaches to see. I'm very pleased with the job (Smith) is doing." In Reid's mind, let the other quarterbacks around the league possess the pretty passing numbers; Reid will take the ultimate one that counts. That is, for now, 6-0. Still, Reid also has been around long enough to know that his offense will have to improve as the season wears on, even if it's just incrementally. And that will be up to Reid himself as the play-caller and architect of the offense, something Reid has mentioned almost every week. "I think we have done some good things, but we have plenty to work on," Reid said. "I don't think I've done a very good job of putting guys in position to make plays. That has been obvious at times. I have to do a better job." http://www.foxsportskansascity.com/n...75&feedID=5117 Sorry if Q
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