Chiefs Scott Pioli's PFF rating - Page 4

Hammock Parties · 06:48 PM

If you could give Scott Pioli a PFF rating, how would you go about it?

Since the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" league, let's tally up the latest ratings of all the players he's drafted, or acquired in free agency.

If the player is no longer a Chief, or no longer in the NFL, we'll use their last known rating. Players with negligible snaps are excluded (Colin Brown, Quinten Lawrence, Jalil Brown, Cyrus Gray, etc).

Pioli Drafts

2009

Tyson Jackson: -2.5
Alex Magee: -5.2
Donald Washington: -7.7
Jake O'Connell: -5.2
Ryan Succop: 8.7

2010

Eric Berry: -9.8
Dexter McCluster: -0.3
Javier Arenas: -0.5
Jon Asamoah: 9.6
Tony Moeaki: -5.7
Kendrick Lewis: -2.6
Cameron Sheffield: -4.8

2011

Jonathan Baldwin: 0.0
Rodney Hudson: 4.6
Justin Houston: 12.4
Allen Bailey: -5.0
Jerrell Powe: -1.5

2012

Dontari Poe: -3.0
Jeff Allen: -10.6

Pioli Free agents/Trades

2009

Matt Cassel: -3.1
Mike Vrabel: -9.0
Chris Chambers: -6.6
Leonard Pope: -14.1
Lance Long: -6.7
Mike Goff: -7.1
Sean Ryan: -15.5
Corey Mays: -22.2
Mike Brown: -4.9
Bobby Wade: -9.3
Andy Alleman: -9.1
Travis Daniels: -4.5
Mike Richardson: -2.8
Tim Castille: -2.1
Ike Ndukwe: 3.7
Terrance Copper: 1.4
Jovan Belcher: 0.1
Ryan O'Callaghan: 6.5 (how the **** did this happen)

2010

Thomas Jones: -8.4
Tyler Palko: -14.6
Verran Tucker: 2.5
Casey Wiegmann: 6.4
Ryan Lilja: 12.5
Shaun Smith: 9.3
Reshard Langford: 0.1

2011

Sabby Piscitelli: -8.0
Steve Breaston: -0.7
Jerheme Urban: -2.1
Keary Colbert: -0.8
Anthony Becht: -0.9
Le'Ron McClain: -0.8
Amon Gordon: -0.4
Steve Maneri: 2.4
Kelly Greg: 0.6

2012

Brady Quinn: -2.0
Ropati Pitoitua: -6.3
Stanford Routt: -4.8
Jacques Reeves: -2.4
Shaun Draughn: -2.6
Peyton Hillis: -1.5
Abram Elam: 2.2
Kevin Boss: 1.8
Eric Winston: 6.5
Nate Eachus: 1.8

TOTAL DRAFT RATING:
19 players, -29.1 rating, average:
-1.53

TOTAL FA/TRADE RATING:
44 players, -115.6 rating, average:
-2.62

THIS "GM" IS FAIL.

MagicHef · 10-19-2012, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

I know this took a lot of work to put together, but I have trouble saying this is conclusive evidence that the guy sucks since a majority of players drafted don't end up doing much in the league. My hypothesis would be that most GMs have a negative rating on average, but I don't know that for sure. Would it be possible to find someone else to compare/contrast with?

(And if not, I completely understand. I can't imagine that was quick to put together.)

Good idea. Here's what Elway has done:

Drafts:

2011
Von Miller +32.2
Rahim Moore +2.9
Orlando Franklin +4.3
Nate Irving 0
Quinton Carter +0.1
Julius Thomas 0
Mike Mohamed 0
Virgil Green 0
Jeremy Beal 0
Chris Harris -0.2

2012
Derek Wolfe -12.1
Brock Osweiler 0
Ronnie Hillman 0.8
Omar Bolden -1.5
Philip Blake 0
Malik Jackson 0.2
Danny Trevathan -2.4
Aaron Brewer 0
Steven Johnson 0

FA/Trades:

2011
Daniel Fells -1.9
Derrick Harvey -2
Willis McGahee +3.2
Dante Rosario -0.6
Ty Warren -0.1
Jeremy Jarmon 0
Broderick Bunkley +5.7

2012
Mike Adams +1.1
Justin Bannan +7.0
Andre Caldwell -0.1
C.J. Davis 0
Joel Dreessen +3.3
Caleb Hanie 0
Peyton Manning +13.9
Tracy Porter -1.1
Brandon Stokley +8.3
Jacob Tamme +4.9
Chris Gronkowski -0.4

Drafts:
+24.3 Total
+1.28 Average

FA/Trade
+41.2 Total
+2.29 Average

Sorry for no fancy colors, hard to do on my phone.

Hammock Parties · 10-19-2012, 09:04 AM

Haha, Broncos fans bringing the pain.

Outstanding.

**The Franchise** · 10-19-2012, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

ON the roster GoChiefs posted, I can forgive Berry, Poe, Routt, Breaston, Moeaki, Allen, and Stephenson.

However, when you compare them to the players drafted immediately after them and our team needs, you start thinking "WTF!!!!!!!"

**** Moeaki. He passed up three stud TEs for that broke ass piece of shit. I don't forgive him for that. And Stephenson was a wasted pick.

And how do you forgive him for Breaston? He was a good pickup that got stuck on the bench so that his 2nd round midget could shine.

**The Franchise** · 10-19-2012, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Good idea. Here's what Elway has done:

Drafts:

2011
Von Miller +32.2
Rahim Moore +2.9
Orlando Franklin +4.3
Nate Irving 0
Quinton Carter +0.1
Julius Thomas 0
Mike Mohamed 0
Virgil Green 0
Jeremy Beal 0
Chris Harris -0.2

2012
Derek Wolfe -12.1
Brock Osweiler 0
Ronnie Hillman 0.8
Omar Bolden -1.5
Philip Blake 0
Malik Jackson 0.2
Danny Trevathan -2.4
Aaron Brewer 0
Steven Johnson 0

FA/Trades:

2011
Daniel Fells -1.9
Derrick Harvey -2
Willis McGahee +3.2
Dante Rosario -0.6
Ty Warren -0.1
Jeremy Jarmon 0
Broderick Bunkley +5.7

2012
Mike Adams +1.1
Justin Bannan +7.0
Andre Caldwell -0.1
C.J. Davis 0
Joel Dreessen +3.3
Caleb Hanie 0
Peyton Manning +13.9
Tracy Porter -1.1
Brandon Stokley +8.3
Jacob Tamme +4.9
Chris Gronkowski -0.4

Drafts:
+24.3 Total
+1.28 Average

FA/Trade
+41.2 Total
+2.29 Average

Sorry for no fancy colors, hard to do on my phone.

There.....I did the work for you.

TEX · 10-19-2012, 09:46 AM

Year 4 of Pioli...

**DaFace** · 10-19-2012, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Good idea. Here's what Elway has done:

Drafts:

2011
Von Miller +32.2
Rahim Moore +2.9
Orlando Franklin +4.3
Nate Irving 0
Quinton Carter +0.1
Julius Thomas 0
Mike Mohamed 0
Virgil Green 0
Jeremy Beal 0
Chris Harris -0.2

2012
Derek Wolfe -12.1
Brock Osweiler 0
Ronnie Hillman 0.8
Omar Bolden -1.5
Philip Blake 0
Malik Jackson 0.2
Danny Trevathan -2.4
Aaron Brewer 0
Steven Johnson 0

FA/Trades:

2011
Daniel Fells -1.9
Derrick Harvey -2
Willis McGahee +3.2
Dante Rosario -0.6
Ty Warren -0.1
Jeremy Jarmon 0
Broderick Bunkley +5.7

2012
Mike Adams +1.1
Justin Bannan +7.0
Andre Caldwell -0.1
C.J. Davis 0
Joel Dreessen +3.3
Caleb Hanie 0
Peyton Manning +13.9
Tracy Porter -1.1
Brandon Stokley +8.3
Jacob Tamme +4.9
Chris Gronkowski -0.4

Drafts:
+24.3 Total
+1.28 Average

FA/Trade
+41.2 Total
+2.29 Average

Sorry for no fancy colors, hard to do on my phone.

Thanks. That's very helpful!

Sorter · 10-19-2012, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

**** Moeaki. He passed up three stud TEs for that broke ass piece of shit. I don't forgive him for that. And Stephenson was a wasted pick.

And how do you forgive him for Breaston? He was a good pickup that got stuck on the bench so that his 2nd round midget could shine.

I'm not forgiving Pioli. Forgiving the players for their PFF scores as I don't think they are truly indicative of either their true value (Breaston, Routt) or potential (Poe, Stephenson, Allen, Berry, Moeaki).

I can't blame the players for what Pioli does/selected. Moeaki during his rookie season seemed like a promising player. He clearly has struggled. However, that doesn't mean that I don't wish we had several other players instead of him.

Stephenson could develop into an OK LT. I don't mind the actual player. I do mind where he was selected relative to who was still available.

What I meant by "forgiving" Breaston is that I don't think Breaston's PFF rating is necessarily productive of the player he is. That applies to those I listed, although in the case of the younger guys, it is more aimed towards potential.

**The Franchise** · 10-19-2012, 10:01 AM

I still think that Stephenson pick is because Pioli is planning on gutting all of the old regime's players off of this roster. Albert will have the same "contract issues" that Bowe does.

Baldwin and McCluster were to replace Bowe.
Stephenson was to replace Albert.
Routt was to replace Carr.

Hammock Parties · 10-19-2012, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

What I meant by "forgiving" Breaston is that I don't think Breaston's PFF rating is necessarily productive of the player he is.

It's indicative of the player he is under Scott Pioli.

And that's all that counts.

Sorter · 10-19-2012, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I still think that Stephenson pick is because Pioli is planning on gutting all of the old regime's players off of this roster. Albert will have the same "contract issues" that Bowe does.

Baldwin and McCluster were to replace Bowe.
Stephenson was to replace Albert.
Routt was to replace Carr.

Sadly, I agree

Sorter · 10-19-2012, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

It's indicative of the player he is under Scott Pioli.

And that's all that counts.

DMAC · 10-19-2012, 10:11 AM

This franchise is just fail. It will always fail. Bring in good athletes? They will fail. Culture of fail.

**Rausch** · 10-19-2012, 10:24 AM

Powe needs more time. He's a legit NT.

And the best thing Pioli can do in the 1st round moving forward is go QB or trade down...

Ace Gunner · 10-19-2012, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

Powe needs more time. He's a legit NT.

And the best thing Pioli can do in the 1st round moving forward is go QB or trade down...

You speak as if Pioli is going to be here for the draft.

mcaj22 · 10-19-2012, 10:43 AM

do you realize how bad this team will be next year if Stephenson is suppose to be the starting LT of the future and Baldwin and McCluster are the 1 and 2 WRs

holy **** lol

10-18-2012, 04:56 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4830478	Scott Pioli's PFF rating If you could give Scott Pioli a PFF rating, how would you go about it? Since the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" league, let's tally up the latest ratings of all the players he's drafted, or acquired in free agency. If the player is no longer a Chief, or no longer in the NFL, we'll use their last known rating. Players with negligible snaps are excluded (Colin Brown, Quinten Lawrence, Jalil Brown, Cyrus Gray, etc). Pioli Drafts 2009 Tyson Jackson: -2.5 Alex Magee: -5.2 Donald Washington: -7.7 Jake O'Connell: -5.2 Ryan Succop: 8.7 2010 Eric Berry: -9.8 Dexter McCluster: -0.3 Javier Arenas: -0.5 Jon Asamoah: 9.6 Tony Moeaki: -5.7 Kendrick Lewis: -2.6 Cameron Sheffield: -4.8 2011 Jonathan Baldwin: 0.0 Rodney Hudson: 4.6 Justin Houston: 12.4 Allen Bailey: -5.0 Jerrell Powe: -1.5 2012 Dontari Poe: -3.0 Jeff Allen: -10.6 Pioli Free agents/Trades 2009 Matt Cassel: -3.1 Mike Vrabel: -9.0 Chris Chambers: -6.6 Leonard Pope: -14.1 Lance Long: -6.7 Mike Goff: -7.1 Sean Ryan: -15.5 Corey Mays: -22.2 Mike Brown: -4.9 Bobby Wade: -9.3 Andy Alleman: -9.1 Travis Daniels: -4.5 Mike Richardson: -2.8 Tim Castille: -2.1 Ike Ndukwe: 3.7 Terrance Copper: 1.4 Jovan Belcher: 0.1 Ryan O'Callaghan: 6.5 (how the ** did this happen) 2010 Thomas Jones: -8.4 Tyler Palko: -14.6 Verran Tucker: 2.5 Casey Wiegmann: 6.4 Ryan Lilja: 12.5 Shaun Smith: 9.3 Reshard Langford: 0.1 2011 Sabby Piscitelli: -8.0 Steve Breaston: -0.7 Jerheme Urban: -2.1 Keary Colbert: -0.8 Anthony Becht: -0.9 Le'Ron McClain: -0.8 Amon Gordon: -0.4 Steve Maneri: 2.4 Kelly Greg: 0.6 2012 Brady Quinn: -2.0 Ropati Pitoitua: -6.3 Stanford Routt: -4.8 Jacques Reeves: -2.4 Shaun Draughn: -2.6 Peyton Hillis: -1.5 Abram Elam: 2.2 Kevin Boss: 1.8 Eric Winston: 6.5 Nate Eachus: 1.8 TOTAL DRAFT RATING: 19 players, -29.1 rating, average: -1.53 TOTAL FA/TRADE RATING: 44 players, -115.6 rating, average: -2.62 THIS "GM" IS FAIL.** Last edited by Hammock Parties; 10-18-2012 at 06:48 PM..
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10-19-2012, 10:01 AM	#53
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3225047	I still think that Stephenson pick is because Pioli is planning on gutting all of the old regime's players off of this roster. Albert will have the same "contract issues" that Bowe does. Baldwin and McCluster were to replace Bowe. Stephenson was to replace Albert. Routt was to replace Carr.
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10-19-2012, 10:43 AM	#60
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	do you realize how bad this team will be next year if Stephenson is suppose to be the starting LT of the future and Baldwin and McCluster are the 1 and 2 WRs holy **** lol
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