How long will it take Andy Reid to beat a team that scores more than 24 points?

[Hammock Parties]

In 4 years with Fat Scott as our GM, the Chiefs did not win ONE SINGLE GAME against an opponent that scored more than 24 points.

How long will it take Andrew Walter Reid?

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Tom Brady and the Patriots record last season when the opposing team scored 24+....1-3.

You're a ****ing tool bag.

News flash, when a defense gives up a lot of points it reduces the chances of winning a game.

But this is the same crowd that routinely blames Alex Smith for the playoff loss even though it was the best performance of his career, so...

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

To counter GifHorse's guideline of record 24+ points allowed by a defense, it's only fair to point out that this a point total that you'd expect a below average defense to give up with some regularity. The league average for points scored over the last ten seasons has been somewhere in the ballpark of 22 with only one season higher than that and a handful of seasons at 20.

If you roll with 22 being the amount of points the bottom half of the league to allow per game, assume the points allowed by a teams which are just above and below this margin to be fewer than 22 ---20 seems like a fairer margin to judge a team by seeing as that could account for a fumble / interception return or a special teams TD by the opposition with the defense allowing 14~ points or fewer which would normally be an average to good performance by a defense.

Considering who bumped this thread, there's no sense ignoring it's a Smith criticism thread. With this in mind, I'll take the bait. Consider the records of QBs who are in a tier similar to Smith when the team allows 20 points or more in a game in both the regular and postseason:

Cutler: 31-51 (.378%; 1-1 in the playoffs)
Dalton: 13-23-1 (.351%; 0-3 in the playoffs)
Flacco: 21-35 (.375%; 2-5 in the playoffs)

Smith comes in at 12-47-1 and an even .200% thanks largely to the 49ers being ass from 2005-2010. Harbaugh era onward, he's 8-16-1 .320% with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.

So it's really a question of whether not Smith's career is more indicative of influencing wins and losses or if it's the last three and a half seasons.

Also, I think a more telling stat for all of these QBs would be record in games where their team allows 18+ points. But I'm tired of going through PFR data.

12-47-1?!?

Sorry but I dont think there is even the slightest chance that this figure is correct. Just recently he was something like 2-27-1.

Clay? You have the correct version of this stat?

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's hard to get hit by a short bus when you're driving it

Lmao.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's hard to get hit by a short bus when you're driving it

Oliver could do it. (@ 2:50)

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by dls6501

12-47-1?!?

Sorry but I dont think there is even the slightest chance that this figure is correct. Just recently he was something like 2-27-1.

Clay? You have the correct version of this stat?

That's 24+ points, and Smith is 3-36-1. Compared to Flacco's 15-22 record when the Ravens give up 24+ points and Andy Dalton's 8-6-1.

I think what's more telling of whether or not a QB lets down the defense more so than the reverse would be parsing through outcomes when a team allows more than 14 points.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

You liar. You conveniently left out playoff games, as if they don't count.

They were 3-3.

And the year before that, they were 5-4.

LIAR LIAR YOUR PANTS ON FIRE

I hope Im wrong but Clay and Sweet Daddy might be the highlights of this season. Anything other than a playoff win they would have to be crowned.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by dls6501

12-47-1?!?

Sorry but I dont think there is even the slightest chance that this figure is correct. Just recently he was something like 2-27-1.

Clay? You have the correct version of this stat?

3-37-1 is against teams that score 24+

His stat is 20+

[Discuss Thrower]

When the defense allows more than 10 points including playoff games, Flacco has an all time record of 46-44 and Smith has a mark of 32-48-1.


Since 2011, regular and post season record when their defenses allow more than 10 points:

Dalton is 28-27-1 (.500)
Flacco is 30-26 (.536)
Smith is 17-13-1 (.548)

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by ILChief

How many times did we allow 24 points?

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Context matters:
First, It looks like we're talking about 24 or more (not 24+). If that's the case:
-4 losses vs. the Broncos who we knew outmatched us
-Loss vs. SD behind Chase in a game we probably should have won
-Loss vs. Indy where they scored 40+ (playoffs)
-Loss vs. SD in games where the offense scored 38 or more
-Loss vs. Tennessee where we were blown out from the start

So we've proven we can't beat Peyton. We lost 2 games where the defense had an atrocious performance. And 1 of those games was with a backup QB. That leaves 3 winnable games where we went 1-2. It's not good but not nearly as bad as the #'s lead you to believe

First, 24+ includes 24. > 24 does not.

Second, trying to justify things like this does not make these facts go away. We're 1-9.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Second, trying to justify things like this does not make these facts go away. We're 1-9.

In the first 10 games of the Pioli era, against teams that scored 24+ points, Gus Cassel was 1-9.