Chiefs How Important Is An Interior Pass Rusher In Today's NFL? - Page 2

SeeingRed · 04-03-2014, 10:01 AM

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...6-a9d552687f9e

Cool article on the KC Chiefs website on a guy I believe will the next All Pro player on our defense. The Chiefs "finally" seem to now be pushing Mike Catapano on KCChiefs.com and I'm very glad to see that because it means that we will see what he can do in 2014. I have been singing this kid's praises since pre season because i feel he is a very talented key piece for this defense but was frustrated watching him sit on the sidelines. I truly believe that having a dominant pass rushing presence on the line (whether it be from 3 technique or 5 technique...or better yet BOTH) is HUGE in making a good defense into a great defense.

People downplay QB pressure and it drives me nuts. You CANNOT stop Peyton Manning (or Philip Rivers or Andrew Luck for that matter) without knocking them off their spots. Just look at the production and the sack totals our defense had the first half of last year and the results it created in the win-loss column...thats because there IS a direct correlation! Also our dominant edge rushers will be more effective when the O Line also has an inside 3 technique rusher they have to worry about as well.

An athletic 290 lbs Catapano who can rush from inside or the outside creates versatility on passing downs. Teamed up with Houston and Hali I really believe all 3 will have double digit sacks in 2014. All today's defenses are really becoming a hybrid blend of 3-4 and 4-3 fronts and a lineman who can rush is a key part. We didn't have that last year (or had on sidelines but didn't use it). I like the addition of Walker but he isnt a true pass rusher...Catapano is. Personally I'd rather see Cat as the starting DE opposite Devito if at 290 he proves to be an effective run stopper, but either way I believe he is a key piece for us in an effective 4 man front on passing downs.

As with all KC fans I was a bit frustrated watching the NFL's most dominant defense slide and become our achilles heel ultimately costing us a playoff win. With no pressure on the QB the second half of year I was frustrated knowing we had a guy who averaged 1.2 sacks a game his senior year sitting on the sidelines. But apparently he was being groomed and making the obvious transition going from a small school to the NFL. Based on all the press coming from inside the Chiefs organization I'm encouraged that we will get to see what a 23 year old 2nd year bigger and better #77 can do.

I said it last year and still believe that Catapano and Poe rushing alongside Houston and Hali will be a VERY disruptive front on passing downs. 3 double digits sack guys = defensive success. Pressure busts pipes. If Catapano can break out and have a double digit sack season it will go a LONG way in getting back to the playoffs and NOT giving up a 4 TD lead. We need a 2013 defensive draft picks like Commings or Cat (or both) to step up and become key contributors in 2014 to build and improve on what we did last year. Since we aren't building through free agency it has to come from within. This guy stepping up would be huge.

OldSchool · 04-03-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeingRed

JJ Watt got 20 rushing from a 3 technique so why is 10 so unreasonable? This kid has skills...put him on the field and he will produce. I hope....because it would help our defense a lot having an inside rushing presence. 15 sacks coming from inside (whether it be Catapano, Poe, Walker or a combo of them all) would allow Houston and Hali to destroy QBs from the outside. Of those 3 (not including Bailey because I just don't see him contributing in that way) Catapano is clearly the most talented rusher...so no, I don't believe 10 sacks or more from him is unreasonable at all actually. Hopefully I'm right. We'll see.

Because he's not JJ Watt and we don't know how explosive he will be after adding 20 pounds to his frame?

SeeingRed · 04-03-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you could count the number of teams that have done that, in the entirety of modern NFL history, on one hand.

In fact, it might never have been done.

its true...i realize that. However the game is constantly evolving and you are seeing more rushers coming from the inside now than there used to be. Before Watt no interior guys had 20 sacks either but more will come. If healthy Houston and Hali will both post double digit sacks...we know that. Imagine a 3rd guy doing it as well? It would make the defense dominant and I believe we have the personnel to do it. Catapano is better than most realize. Even if we got 8 (1 every other game) out of him it would go a long way.

**The Franchise** · 04-03-2014, 10:27 AM

Mike Catapano = JJ Watt
Sanders Commings = Ed Reed
Travis Kelce = Greatest TE evar!1!!!!1!11

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-03-2014, 10:27 AM

SeeingRed · 04-03-2014, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Mike Catapano = JJ Watt
Sanders Commings = Ed Reed
Travis Kelce = Greatest TE evar!1!!!!1!11

Cmon now! :-/ I do think they all have potential but never said any of that. I especially think Catapano and Kelce have alot of potential but not saying that Pestilence. And you are taking my words out of context. I didnt say Catapano was Watt or would get 20 sacks BUT I believe the guy is very good. Also we have a UNIQUE situation in 2014 that we likely WONT have next year in that we have both Houston and Hali for the time being. Houston is in the prime of his career and is poised to have a shot at a career year. Even if Catapano (or Walker or Poe or whoever) can create a legitimate inside threat the studs we have on the outside can be even more effective. If Catapano gets 6 sacks but Houston breaks Strahan's record that would be pretty cool and I believe this is possible. But if not and we had 3 guys with double digit sacks it will create the same result.....and we wont be giving up 4 TD leads if this happens.

**The Franchise** · 04-03-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeingRed

Cmon now! :-/ I do think they all have potential but never said any of that. I especially think Catapano and Kelce have alot of potential but not saying that Pestilence. And you are taking my words out of context. I didnt say Catapano was Watt or would get 20 sacks BUT I believe the guy is very good. Also we have a UNIQUE situation that we likely WONT have next year in that we have both Houston and Hali for the time being. Houston is in the prime of his career and is poised to have a shot at a career year. Even if Catapano (or Walker or Poe or whoever) can create a legitimate inside threat the studs we have on the outside can be even more effective. If Catapano gets 6 sacks but Houston breaks Strahan's record that would be pretty cool and I believe this is possible. But if not and we had 3 guys with double digit sacks it will create the same result.....and we wont be giving up 4 TD leads if this happens.

It was a joke.....calm it down.

You remind me a lot of my brother.

SeeingRed · 04-03-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

It was a joke.....calm it down.

You remind me a lot of my brother.

lol....sorry

still recovering from that damn Indy game i guess

htismaqe · 04-03-2014, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeingRed

lol....sorry

still recovering from that damn Indy game i guess

You know what the upside is to being a jaded, crotchety old bastard like me?

I recovered from the Indy game about 5 minutes after it was over...

**The Franchise** · 04-03-2014, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You know what the upside is to being a jaded, crotchety old bastard like me?

I recovered from the Indy game about 5 minutes after it was over...

I can't wait to get there. It took me a good couple of days.

**RealSNR** · 04-03-2014, 10:51 AM

People act like I was a giant moron for trolling them with Terrence Copper mania for so many years, but was I really any different than the people who are predicting great things for people like Catapano, Kush, and Commings?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-03-2014, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

People act like I was a giant moron for trolling them with Terrence Copper mania for so many years, but was I really any different than the people who are predicting great things for people like Catapano, Kush, and Commings?

Actually, you were a lot different.

Copper was a helluva special teams player. He wasn't some unproven JAG.

htismaqe · 04-03-2014, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I can't wait to get there. It took me a good couple of days.

To be honest, if it weren't for the 38-10 lead, I wouldn't have even had to recover. I went into the game expecting a loss.

DTLB58 · 04-03-2014, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you could count the number of teams that have done that, in the entirety of modern NFL history, on one hand.

In fact, it might never have been done.

I found 1

'84 Bears The year they got 72 as a team.
Richard Dent 17.5
Steve McMichael 10.0
Dan Hampton 11.5
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/chi/1984.htm

I would love to go back to some of the old-timer teams of the Rams,Giants, Bears and Packers but we all know they didn't start keeping this stat till '82.

htismaqe · 04-03-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

I found 1

'84 Bears The year they got 72 as a team.
Richard Dent 17.5
Steve McMichael 10.0
Dan Hampton 11.5
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/chi/1984.htm

I would love to go back to some of the old-timer teams of the Rams,Giants, Bears and Packers but we all know they didn't start keeping this stat till '82.

Not to mention the fact that those teams were built prior to Plan B free agency and the advent of the salary cap.

Kudos to you though for finding one!

Pablo · 04-03-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeingRed

yes...all 3. This is my prediction. And IF it happens then we will win alot of games!

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SeeingRed Veteran Join Date: May 2013 Casino cash: $10011193	How Important Is An Interior Pass Rusher In Today's NFL? http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...6-a9d552687f9e Cool article on the KC Chiefs website on a guy I believe will the next All Pro player on our defense. The Chiefs "finally" seem to now be pushing Mike Catapano on KCChiefs.com and I'm very glad to see that because it means that we will see what he can do in 2014. I have been singing this kid's praises since pre season because i feel he is a very talented key piece for this defense but was frustrated watching him sit on the sidelines. I truly believe that having a dominant pass rushing presence on the line (whether it be from 3 technique or 5 technique...or better yet BOTH) is HUGE in making a good defense into a great defense. People downplay QB pressure and it drives me nuts. You CANNOT stop Peyton Manning (or Philip Rivers or Andrew Luck for that matter) without knocking them off their spots. Just look at the production and the sack totals our defense had the first half of last year and the results it created in the win-loss column...thats because there IS a direct correlation! Also our dominant edge rushers will be more effective when the O Line also has an inside 3 technique rusher they have to worry about as well. An athletic 290 lbs Catapano who can rush from inside or the outside creates versatility on passing downs. Teamed up with Houston and Hali I really believe all 3 will have double digit sacks in 2014. All today's defenses are really becoming a hybrid blend of 3-4 and 4-3 fronts and a lineman who can rush is a key part. We didn't have that last year (or had on sidelines but didn't use it). I like the addition of Walker but he isnt a true pass rusher...Catapano is. Personally I'd rather see Cat as the starting DE opposite Devito if at 290 he proves to be an effective run stopper, but either way I believe he is a key piece for us in an effective 4 man front on passing downs. As with all KC fans I was a bit frustrated watching the NFL's most dominant defense slide and become our achilles heel ultimately costing us a playoff win. With no pressure on the QB the second half of year I was frustrated knowing we had a guy who averaged 1.2 sacks a game his senior year sitting on the sidelines. But apparently he was being groomed and making the obvious transition going from a small school to the NFL. Based on all the press coming from inside the Chiefs organization I'm encouraged that we will get to see what a 23 year old 2nd year bigger and better #77 can do. I said it last year and still believe that Catapano and Poe rushing alongside Houston and Hali will be a VERY disruptive front on passing downs. 3 double digits sack guys = defensive success. Pressure busts pipes. If Catapano can break out and have a double digit sack season it will go a LONG way in getting back to the playoffs and NOT giving up a 4 TD lead. We need a 2013 defensive draft picks like Commings or Cat (or both) to step up and become key contributors in 2014 to build and improve on what we did last year. Since we aren't building through free agency it has to come from within. This guy stepping up would be huge.
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