NFL Draft ***RYAN NASSIB*** - Page 7

Mr_Tomahawk · 01-09-2013, 09:39 PM

...because Reid isn't going to "reach" for a QB in the 1st.

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http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/201...ort/#more-4407

Prospect: Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse Orange
Height: 6’2
Weight: 228 lbs.
Grade: 6.9 (Grading Scale)

Scouting Report

Athleticism:
+Underrated as an athlete, has the ability to tuck the ball and pick up first downs or get into the endzone
+Thick build, he can take a hit and get back up
+Moves well in the pocket, is able to side step and climb the pocket to avoid the pass rush
+Balanced in his movements, though he does not always reset his feet when trying to make a throw
-Listed at 6’2, and will need to measure out at that height for fear of dealing with the dreaded height questions that have plagued so many QB’s

Arm Talent:
+Has a very strong arm, can make any throw that a team needs him to
+Puts enough pace on the ball to push the ball to the boundary side outside the hash
+Can fit the ball into tight spaces due to his arm strength, can pick zone coverage when given the time
+Release is compact and quick, though it doesn’t always come from the same arm slot
+Will change his arm slot to fit the ball into a passing lane, this costs him little to no arm strength
-At times puts too much faith into his arm and will try and throw the ball through the defense rather than take the easy check down
-Only knows how to throw one type of pass and that’s the fast ball

Pocket Presence:
+Is more than willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit in order to deliver a pass
+Rarely drops his eye level when manuevering inside the pocket
+Good footwork to quicly move away from pressure
+Has experience dropping back from under center, working out of 3, 5, and 7 step drops
+Does well to sell the play-action fake coming away from center and turning his back to the defense

Command of Offense:
+Spent three years working under Doug Marrone and running an under center pro style offense
+Is able to get CB’s to bite on pump fakes and will look safeties off his read
+Unquestioned leader in the huddle, is one of the toughest players on the team and leads by example
+Is more than willing to put the entire offense on his shoulders
-Still developing the feel for when to check down or just throw the ball away, still believe his arm can make any play happen
-Locks on to primary read and will not progress fast enough

Overview:
No senior QB showed me more this season than Ryan Nassib, his growth and command of this team is the illustration of a what a true field general is. Nassib was a guy I wasn’t completely sold on coming into his senior year but he showed me enough tell me that he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

He needs to go to a team that has a strong offensive coordinator and QB coach who can help continue his development and help him smooth out some of his rougher edges. Nassib needs to continue to learn how to go through progressions and work on identifying the defense pre-snap so he knows what to do with the ball post-snap.

In the end Nassib gives you a QB with that classic gun slinger mentality. He’s going to make some throws that are going to put you in a position to win a game and he’s going to make some throws that could cost you a game. Up until this year you never knew which one of those throws you were going to get on any given drop back but now he’s taken that next step further and seems destined to become a starter in the NFL one day.

I’d put Nassib’s stock somewhere in the Round 2 to 3 range right now, but with the way QB’s are valued he could find himself closer to pick 32 than to pick 64.

Scouting Notes

Ryan Nassib v. Northwestern
-good size for position
-shows a clean, quick release
-hits tight end over the middle, shows nice zip
-throws on the run to the right, delivers a nice ball for big gain
-looked over his available WR to the left, delivers a strike

Ryan Nassib v. USC
- 3rd and Short- his reads are covered and backside pressure comes, runs out of the pocket, throws the ball as he is being hit right to a USC defender – Really poor decision
– Rolls out to his right has WR wide open, but doesn’t reset and misses the target high – Not a good start
– Three step drop, needs to get rid of ball, but he pump fakes and gets sacked
– Has little to no touch on short/intermediate passes, winds up like an outfielder throwing the ball and throws it as hard as he can

Ryan Nassib v. Rutgers
-Great level throw over linebackers, delivering high with velocity
-Can hold the ball too long when initial read struggles to get open
-Over-trusts first read a little long at times, needs to progress by reading DBs
-Anticipates receiver routes/breaks very well, high velocity
-Showcasing fantastic arm strength consistently
-Better than usual velocity control in the middle of the field

RunKC · 02-08-2013, 03:59 PM

The only real problem with Nassib is his accuracy throwing downfield and that's something that is coachable.

He's got the size, arm strength, pro style experience, football IQ, progressions, does the play fake really well, rarely makes mistakes throwing the ball, elite ability to throw good accurate passes in the short and intermediate routes and he appears to be a great leader.

He was on a really lackluster team in terms of talent. I think he's the sleeper of this draft. It's no wonder Reid and Dorsey are interested in him.

Sorter · 02-08-2013, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Keep reading on twitter and blogs how Chiefs are very intrigued with Nassib and how he is moving up as the #2 ranled QB behind Geno....

Did this guy show ANYTHING in the SR. bowl? Why are scouts so attracted to him...? Big Arm? Accurate? Smart? ...Pro System?

I don't get it.

I've had him 3rd behind Geno and Wilson for quite some time now, FWIW.

KCrockaholic · 02-08-2013, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

The only real problem with Nassib is his accuracy throwing downfield and that's something that is coachable.

He's got the size, arm strength, pro style experience, football IQ, progressions, does the play fake really well, rarely makes mistakes throwing the ball, elite ability to throw good accurate passes in the short and intermediate routes and he appears to be a great leader.

He was on a really lackluster team in terms of talent. I think he's the sleeper of this draft. It's no wonder Reid and Dorsey are interested in him.

WTF? Did you read the link from secondroundstats?

RunKC · 02-08-2013, 04:11 PM

This is about his leadership.

“I can’t say enough about that guy,” offensive tackle Justin Pugh said. “He’s a great leader.”

“When he says something everybody listens,” offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett said. “It may be one thing a game or one thing every two weeks, but they listen.”

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootba...ms_star_q.html

Nassib is also the most prolific passer in Syracuse history. That's right. He was better than Donovan McNabb.

Love this kid.

RunKC · 02-08-2013, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

WTF? Did you read the link from secondroundstats?

Did you read it?

http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/...outing-report/

Nothing really bad to say about the guy.

Oh and his deep ball is apparently much better than people give him credit for. I think you were thinking of Wilson's report?

KCrockaholic · 02-08-2013, 04:19 PM

I've been at work all day but as soon as I get home in an hour I plan on spending the night evaluating and charting Nassib. Looking forward to it. I still gotta work on Barkley and Manuel a little more as well.

KCrockaholic · 02-08-2013, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

Did you read it?

http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/...outing-report/

Nothing really bad to say about the guy.

Oh and his deep ball is apparently much better than people give him credit for. I think you were thinking of Wilson's report?

I'm on my phone so I'm not bolding things, but read your first sentence of your paragraph. Then read his completition percent throwing downfield. They don't match.

Sorter · 02-08-2013, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

I've been at work all day but as soon as I get home in an hour I plan on spending the night evaluating and charting Nassib. Looking forward to it. I still gotta work on Barkley and Manuel a little more as well.

I think you'll enjoy what you see in terms of movement w/in the pocket, going through reads, looking downfield, and his release.

Definitely needs to work on his touch and slow down his feet a bit.

silver5liter · 02-08-2013, 04:24 PM

bleh.

fairladyZ · 02-08-2013, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

I've been at work all day but as soon as I get home in an hour I plan on spending the night evaluating and charting Nassib. Looking forward to it. I still gotta work on Barkley and Manuel a little more as well.

post up your thoughts on barkley in the barkley thread too, i'm intrested in what you see, also what you see in nassib.

RunKC · 02-08-2013, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

I think you'll enjoy what you see in terms of movement w/in the pocket, going through reads, looking downfield, and his release.

Definitely needs to work on his touch and slow down his feet a bit.

I'm anxious for your scouting report on Nassib Sorter. Can we get that soon?

KCrockaholic · 02-08-2013, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

post up your thoughts on barkley in the barkley thread too, i'm intrested in what you see, also what you see in nassib.

I gotta figure out what went wrong with Barkley cause I liked his Junior game cut ups way more than what I've seen of his Senior stuff.

Sorter · 02-08-2013, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I'm anxious for your scouting report on Nassib Sorter. Can we get that soon?

I've been slacking like a mother****er. I need to get on that soon.

fairladyZ · 02-08-2013, 04:59 PM

i didn't watch much of barkley's junior season so i dunno what went wrong but my guess is the oline and defense put him behind the 8ball to much. lead to him trying to rush and force throws into bad spots or just miss on throws from being rushed. just my guess though, look forward to yours

nassib i do like what i've seen but i have only seen a tiny bit. I like him but he seems more or less a game manager. seems like you can give him direction and point and he can do it, but you can't expect him to put the team on his shoulders and drive the burning bus to the finish. just my take. everything else in his game i believe can be coached except that.

KCrockaholic · 02-08-2013, 05:29 PM

Just got home. I'll be going back and fourth between Barkley's Junior and Senior games. But first I'm gonna work on Nassib for the next 2 or 3 hours.

01-09-2013, 09:39 PM
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $3140526	*RYAN NASSIB* ...because Reid isn't going to "reach" for a QB in the 1st. ________________________________________________ http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/201...ort/#more-4407 Prospect: Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse Orange Height: 6’2 Weight: 228 lbs. Grade: 6.9 (Grading Scale) Scouting Report Athleticism: +Underrated as an athlete, has the ability to tuck the ball and pick up first downs or get into the endzone +Thick build, he can take a hit and get back up +Moves well in the pocket, is able to side step and climb the pocket to avoid the pass rush +Balanced in his movements, though he does not always reset his feet when trying to make a throw -Listed at 6’2, and will need to measure out at that height for fear of dealing with the dreaded height questions that have plagued so many QB’s Arm Talent: +Has a very strong arm, can make any throw that a team needs him to +Puts enough pace on the ball to push the ball to the boundary side outside the hash +Can fit the ball into tight spaces due to his arm strength, can pick zone coverage when given the time +Release is compact and quick, though it doesn’t always come from the same arm slot +Will change his arm slot to fit the ball into a passing lane, this costs him little to no arm strength -At times puts too much faith into his arm and will try and throw the ball through the defense rather than take the easy check down -Only knows how to throw one type of pass and that’s the fast ball Pocket Presence: +Is more than willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit in order to deliver a pass +Rarely drops his eye level when manuevering inside the pocket +Good footwork to quicly move away from pressure +Has experience dropping back from under center, working out of 3, 5, and 7 step drops +Does well to sell the play-action fake coming away from center and turning his back to the defense Command of Offense: +Spent three years working under Doug Marrone and running an under center pro style offense +Is able to get CB’s to bite on pump fakes and will look safeties off his read +Unquestioned leader in the huddle, is one of the toughest players on the team and leads by example +Is more than willing to put the entire offense on his shoulders -Still developing the feel for when to check down or just throw the ball away, still believe his arm can make any play happen -Locks on to primary read and will not progress fast enough Overview: No senior QB showed me more this season than Ryan Nassib, his growth and command of this team is the illustration of a what a true field general is. Nassib was a guy I wasn’t completely sold on coming into his senior year but he showed me enough tell me that he deserves the benefit of the doubt. He needs to go to a team that has a strong offensive coordinator and QB coach who can help continue his development and help him smooth out some of his rougher edges. Nassib needs to continue to learn how to go through progressions and work on identifying the defense pre-snap so he knows what to do with the ball post-snap. In the end Nassib gives you a QB with that classic gun slinger mentality. He’s going to make some throws that are going to put you in a position to win a game and he’s going to make some throws that could cost you a game. Up until this year you never knew which one of those throws you were going to get on any given drop back but now he’s taken that next step further and seems destined to become a starter in the NFL one day. I’d put Nassib’s stock somewhere in the Round 2 to 3 range right now, but with the way QB’s are valued he could find himself closer to pick 32 than to pick 64. Scouting Notes Ryan Nassib v. Northwestern -good size for position -shows a clean, quick release -hits tight end over the middle, shows nice zip -throws on the run to the right, delivers a nice ball for big gain -looked over his available WR to the left, delivers a strike Ryan Nassib v. USC - 3rd and Short- his reads are covered and backside pressure comes, runs out of the pocket, throws the ball as he is being hit right to a USC defender – Really poor decision – Rolls out to his right has WR wide open, but doesn’t reset and misses the target high – Not a good start – Three step drop, needs to get rid of ball, but he pump fakes and gets sacked – Has little to no touch on short/intermediate passes, winds up like an outfielder throwing the ball and throws it as hard as he can Ryan Nassib v. Rutgers -Great level throw over linebackers, delivering high with velocity -Can hold the ball too long when initial read struggles to get open -Over-trusts first read a little long at times, needs to progress by reading DBs -Anticipates receiver routes/breaks very well, high velocity -Showcasing fantastic arm strength consistently -Better than usual velocity control in the middle of the field
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02-08-2013, 03:59 PM	#91
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2349611	The only real problem with Nassib is his accuracy throwing downfield and that's something that is coachable. He's got the size, arm strength, pro style experience, football IQ, progressions, does the play fake really well, rarely makes mistakes throwing the ball, elite ability to throw good accurate passes in the short and intermediate routes and he appears to be a great leader. He was on a really lackluster team in terms of talent. I think he's the sleeper of this draft. It's no wonder Reid and Dorsey are interested in him. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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02-08-2013, 04:11 PM	#94
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2349611	This is about his leadership. “I can’t say enough about that guy,” offensive tackle Justin Pugh said. “He’s a great leader.” “When he says something everybody listens,” offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett said. “It may be one thing a game or one thing every two weeks, but they listen.” http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootba...ms_star_q.html Nassib is also the most prolific passer in Syracuse history. That's right. He was better than Donovan McNabb. Love this kid. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
Posts: 45,814

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KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $4832900	I've been at work all day but as soon as I get home in an hour I plan on spending the night evaluating and charting Nassib. Looking forward to it. I still gotta work on Barkley and Manuel a little more as well.
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silver5liter ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK Join Date: Jul 2012 Casino cash: $10005135	bleh.
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fairladyZ Starter Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $7575234	i didn't watch much of barkley's junior season so i dunno what went wrong but my guess is the oline and defense put him behind the 8ball to much. lead to him trying to rush and force throws into bad spots or just miss on throws from being rushed. just my guess though, look forward to yours nassib i do like what i've seen but i have only seen a tiny bit. I like him but he seems more or less a game manager. seems like you can give him direction and point and he can do it, but you can't expect him to put the team on his shoulders and drive the burning bus to the finish. just my take. everything else in his game i believe can be coached except that.
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02-08-2013, 05:29 PM	#105
KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $4832900	Just got home. I'll be going back and fourth between Barkley's Junior and Senior games. But first I'm gonna work on Nassib for the next 2 or 3 hours.
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