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Old 03-05-2013, 11:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:26 PM   #226
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:30 PM   #227
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I think it's a given we will draft a QB. My guess is Dorsey and Reid have targeted someone in a later round though.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:30 PM   #228
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I understand what you're getting at, but like I said to Wolfman, I really don't care what they throw at the quarterback position. Throw as many picks/free agents in there as it takes to get that position solidified.

We WILL NOT win anything in this league until the QB spot on this team is fixed, and that includes taking the best tackle/end/corner/receiver, or any other position out there. No quarterback (and these days, a backup QB as well), and you might as well just accept you won't win in the playoffs in spite of what happened in the regular season.
completely different argument

I am not discussing/debating what the team SHOULD do with the QB position.


I'm talking about what they ARE doing. I just don't see how/why they would give up draft picks for Alex Smith and then turn around and give up the 1st pick of the draft for Geno Smith.

If they didn't give up that much for Alex Smith then all bets are off and we'll see.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:31 PM   #229
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:35 PM   #230
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:37 PM   #231
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completely different argument

I am not discussing/debating what the team SHOULD do with the QB position.


I'm talking about what they ARE doing. I just don't see how/why they would give up draft picks for Alex Smith and then turn around and give up the 1st pick of the draft for Geno Smith.

If they didn't give up that much for Alex Smith then all bets are off and we'll see.
I'd say becasue they think our QB spot is just THAT BAD.

We're just a bunch of armchair GM/Coaches here giving our opinions on what we see (and think is pretty obvious). These guys are pros at what they do and know tenfold more than all of us put together.

There's just no way they saw the combo of Cassel/Quinn/Stanzi/Tanney and thought they could challenge for a championship. It would take a minimum of TWO QB's to make us relevant/competitive imho, and personally, I couldn't care less how many picks or how much money they spent to fix it. Remember, Reid has had at least above average QB play with all his guys in Philly, and Dorsey has watched Favre and Rodgers do their thing. No way do they stand pat and hope that just one free agent is going to fix this mess.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:39 PM   #232
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Just don't see this happening. Andy Reid just confirmed Alex Smith is his guy. It makes no sense to give up that much compensation just to have the guy replaced in 2014 or 2015.

Reid let us know what he thought of this QB class when he quickly made this deal with SF.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:49 PM   #233
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I'd say becasue they think our QB spot is just THAT BAD.

We're just a bunch of armchair GM/Coaches here giving our opinions on what we see (and think is pretty obvious). These guys are pros at what they do and know tenfold more than all of us put together.

There's just no way they saw the combo of Cassel/Quinn/Stanzi/Tanney and thought they could challenge for a championship. It would take a minimum of TWO QB's to make us relevant/competitive imho, and personally, I couldn't care less how many picks or how much money they spent to fix it. Remember, Reid has had at least above average QB play with all his guys in Philly, and Dorsey has watched Favre and Rodgers do their thing. No way do they stand pat and hope that just one free agent is going to fix this mess.
A team/business would not INVEST 9.75 million and a 2cd round draft pick on the QB position and then turn around and invest the number 1 pick in the draft on the same position. That would be admitting failure in picking up Alex Smith.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:54 PM   #234
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A team/business would not INVEST 9.75 million and a 2cd round draft pick on the QB position and then turn around and invest the number 1 pick in the draft on the same position. That would be admitting failure in picking up Alex Smith.
Not at all. It's an investment towards the future. Alex SMith will be 29 when the season starts, and has played 16 games a season only twice in his career. Sounds like a solid backup is a necessary thing with this guy.

I guess we'll know once (if) the trade actually goes through what they really think. If Alex is THE GUY with nobody to push him, they will tear up his contract and re-sign him to a fat new one.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:56 PM   #235
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It would be monumentally stupid to draft him now that they have 2 seconds wrapped up in Smith, or whatever it is. The team has too many holes to do something crazy like spend 4 or 5 second round picks worth of value on the starting and backup QBs - not to mention wrapping $15 million or more in cap space up by acquiring a luxury backup.

Trading down is the only thing that makes any kind of sense. If Geno was their guy, they'd have not purposed to not only look into Alex Smith but to WIN the bidding for him, and to do so at a price that made most people balk.

And the idea they got Smith to go for this and then will bring in someone to challenge him for the job is equally dumb.

We haven't even heard details of the contract extension Smith has agreed to yet. Once that comes out, this will be even more silly.
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I'd say becasue they think our QB spot is just THAT BAD.

We're just a bunch of armchair GM/Coaches here giving our opinions on what we see (and think is pretty obvious). These guys are pros at what they do and know tenfold more than all of us put together.

There's just no way they saw the combo of Cassel/Quinn/Stanzi/Tanney and thought they could challenge for a championship. It would take a minimum of TWO QB's to make us relevant/competitive imho, and personally, I couldn't care less how many picks or how much money they spent to fix it. Remember, Reid has had at least above average QB play with all his guys in Philly, and Dorsey has watched Favre and Rodgers do their thing. No way do they stand pat and hope that just one free agent is going to fix this mess.
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We haven't even heard details of the contract extension Smith has agreed to yet. Once that comes out, this will be even more silly.
That's because there have been zero offers for a contract extension. We can't negotiate anyway, but the "insider" sources claim the Chiefs aren't interested at least in the short term in getting Alex a new deal
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It's not stupid to throw picks at the QB position. It's stupid to keep throwing picks at defensive or offensive line positions.

You people understand that quarterback is your make or break position of ALL the positions on the field, right? You really shouldn't care how many draft picks or how much money goes into the position, as long as they get it right.
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A team/business would not INVEST 9.75 million and a 2cd round draft pick on the QB position and then turn around and invest the number 1 pick in the draft on the same position. That would be admitting failure in picking up Alex Smith.
No, it would be addressing the complete failure of this franchise to address the QB position over the last 40 years.
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No, it would be addressing the complete failure of this franchise to address the QB position over the last 40 years.
The franchise's history in preceding decades has exactly nothing to do with anyone associated with the Chiefs today. Not even Clark.
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