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Old 12-08-2017, 11:17 AM  
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Why the GOP tax bill is depressing to me.

Our president has a 35% approval rate.
The GOP has a 24% approval rate.
Congress has a 16% approval rate.

And they're pushing through a tax bill that has 29% support.

This makes no sense.

In a democracy, you are supposed to push for stuff that at least has a chance to be popular during non-emergency times, especially if you are insanely unpopular.

So, how does this make sense? Because the GOP, particularly the House GOP, believes it has properly insulated itself from democratic punishments (i.e. being voted out of power).
  • They have gerrymandered the House, and the Senate favors small, rural states.
  • Campaign finance restrictions have been destroyed by GOP judges to give the wealthy more control over candidates and politicians.
By all accounts -- we're looking at a wave election in 2018 if things continue the way they're going. And even after a wave it's still not remotely clear if Democrats can even barely take back the majority in the House, and they almost certainly won't in the Senate.

I think this is all pretty depressing and antithetical to how a representative, responsive government is supposed to act.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:11 PM   #316
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That's no reason to force people to buy it. Obama and his minions didn't get buyoff from Republicans when they passed the ACA, so it's a little late in the game to expect Republicans to go out of their way to save it.
it be nice if they were more upfront about it and sneak shit in to a ****ing tax bill that doesn't belong in it.

Such as infant human life,Drilling in Alaska,and a ACA repeal.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:15 PM   #317
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it be nice if they were more upfront about it and sneak shit in to a ****ing tax bill that doesn't belong in it.

Such as infant human life,Drilling in Alaska,and a ACA repeal.
ACA mandate repeal had to be a part of a tax bill because the Obama administration snuck it into a ****ing tax bill that it doesn’t belong in.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:42 PM   #318
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ACA mandate repeal had to be a part of a tax bill because the Obama administration snuck it into a ****ing tax bill that it doesn’t belong in.
No.

It had to be part of the tax bill to be under the debt threshold needed to avoid a filibuster.

Republicans are trading health care for unneeded and irresponsible tax cuts to the internationally rich.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:51 PM   #319
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Republicans are trading health care for unneeded and irresponsible tax cuts to the internationally rich.
Explain?
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Old 12-14-2017, 08:32 PM   #320
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Americans say they’re ready to fire GOP if they pass their tax scam

A new poll shows that, far from being their salvation, the GOP’s fraudulent “tax reform” plan will be their doom.

One thing that’s not helping the GOP is the tax bill — only 29% of voters support it to 49% who are opposed. And by a 23 point margin voters say they’re less likely to vote for a member of Congress next year who supports it- 49% say support for the tax bill makes them less likely to vote for someone, to only 26% who consider it a positive.

Collins had to shut her door and won't speak constituents.

Calls are coming in 50-1 asking to oppose the new Tax Bill.
Not real Americans, just the fake coward ass pieces of shit who come from bad parenting.
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Old 12-14-2017, 08:35 PM   #321
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Rubio is threatening to not sign onto this bill which could sabotage it. Reported on Newsmax. He wants to increase the child credit and if he doesn't get it he won't vote for it.
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Old 12-14-2017, 08:36 PM   #322
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Calls are coming in 50-1 asking to oppose the new Tax Bill.
How much is Soros paying them? Even if he isn't—this is being organized by the opposition—which is the hard left.
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Old 12-14-2017, 09:21 PM   #323
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Rubio is threatening to not sign onto this bill which could sabotage it. Reported on Newsmax. He wants to increase the child credit and if he doesn't get it he won't vote for it.
He will never be able to run for President in 2024 if he does oppose and it goes down...
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He will never be able to run for President in 2024 if he does oppose and it goes down...
That'd be fine with me. Lil' Rubio will never be president.
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This thread is a prime example of how ****ing stupid liberals are.

They are complaining about shit they have zero understanding of because they are ****ing dumb.

13 million people will be kicked out of healthcare because they wont be forced to sign up for it even though they could!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey man, if we dont force people to buy healthcare it can't support itself!

How can anyone with half a brain cell come up with a statement like that?

Talk about echo chamber bullshit.

Not one decent rebuttal to Shapiro's article on the tax situation yet they call everyone dumb and clueless. They dont have a single point to make to the contrary.

Idiots, every ****ing single one of you liberals. As a group you dont have 2 working brain cells to rub together.
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:43 PM   #326
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This thread is a prime example of how ****ing stupid liberals are.

They are complaining about shit they have zero understanding of because they are ****ing dumb.

13 million people will be kicked out of healthcare because they wont be forced to sign up for it even though they could!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey man, if we dont force people to buy healthcare it can't support itself!

How can anyone with half a brain cell come up with a statement like that?

Talk about echo chamber bullshit.

Not one decent rebuttal to Shapiro's article on the tax situation yet they call everyone dumb and clueless. They dont have a single point to make to the contrary.

Idiots, every ****ing single one of you liberals. As a group you dont have 2 working brain cells to rub together.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:10 AM   #327
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This thread is a prime example of how ****ing stupid liberals are.

They are complaining about shit they have zero understanding of because they are ****ing dumb.

13 million people will be kicked out of healthcare because they wont be forced to sign up for it even though they could!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey man, if we dont force people to buy healthcare it can't support itself!

How can anyone with half a brain cell come up with a statement like that?

Talk about echo chamber bullshit.

Not one decent rebuttal to Shapiro's article on the tax situation yet they call everyone dumb and clueless. They dont have a single point to make to the contrary.

Idiots, every ****ing single one of you liberals. As a group you dont have 2 working brain cells to rub together.
It's actually ****ing amazing What a ****ing chump you are.

Their is no extreme left just normal people and centrist who fall for rightwing bullshit.

you ****ers believe nothing but your own echo chamber as truth you want your own experts from christian colleges like they ****ing mean something.

Right wing extremism is the most dangerous thing to current democracy.

if you follow ben shaprio You're a ****ing lunatic Please do not vote.
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I'm too lazy to look, but I received a flyer today in the mail from my House Representative with a few questions on this tax bill and it says reply by Dec. 31. I thought the Reps were gonna vote on this before the end of the year? Anybody in the know on this vote, when it's supposed to happen?
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Old 12-15-2017, 01:24 AM   #329
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I'm too lazy to look, but I received a flyer today in the mail from my House Representative with a few questions on this tax bill and it says reply by Dec. 31. I thought the Reps were gonna vote on this before the end of the year? Anybody in the know on this vote, when it's supposed to happen?
if they can't get the votes they will have to wait

They should wait for Doug Jones to be seated Dems did that for the GOP on the ACA.

but Mitch and Ryan are don't give a **** about how the republican party looks right now
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if they can't get the votes they will have to wait
That makes sense. But this flyer would probably have to of been mailed out earlier this week, makes me wonder if they knew they were possibly gonna hit a roadblock? I dunno

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They should wait for Doug Jones to be seated Dems did that for the GOP on the ACA.
What special election (state) did the Dems wait on for the ACA vote? I guess it don't matter, just don't remember that.

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but Mitch and Ryan are don't give a **** about how the republican party looks right now
I don't know what they care about, but I know I don't care about their stances on much of anything these days. Ryan is probably better than the alternative that his state would likely vote in. But Mitchy comes from a state that will vote in a true conservative if he so much as farts in the wrong direction. (well, assuming no weird sex scandal pops up, of course)
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