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Old 03-08-2013, 08:50 PM  
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Podcast: Rich Baldinger Talks Chiefs OL
On 610 today;

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6272783

  • Branden Albert is potentially better at LT than LG because he's no mauler
  • Rodney Hudson really shredded knee during that injury -- will he be back???
  • Asamoah isn't knocking guys off the ball in the red zone
  • Jake Long would fit well -- is an upgrade
  • Winston was disappointing especially for the dollars
  • last season's OL talent was a big reason they were 2 - 14
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:57 PM   #106
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Lou Zare folks placing sack blame on a team with 2 top 10 tackles at their respective sides over 2 QB's playing some of the shittiest football the league has ever seen.
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:11 PM   #107
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A QB worth a shit overcomes the supposed "garbage" on the offensive line. Remember Kyle Orton?

When your starting QBs are a bunch of Cassels, Quinns, and now Alex Smiths, your offensive line needs all those HOFers and 1st round picks to accomplish anything.

It's up to you, but you can choose to spend all those resources and all that money on keeping FIVE positions stocked with incredible and well-coached talent, or you can bite the bullet and find a 16th-or-better ranked QB who doesn't shit his pants when the offensive line doesn't block exactly the way the play was designed.

I think we are all advocating for both methods to be implemented. The difference is that I and milkman are advocating finding the QB first, so that when you do find OL players worth a shit, reeruns like you and CoMo don't ascribe equal blame to the line AND the abortion of a QB.

But it appears that you and CoMo are going to get your way. Again. For the 7342nd time in 30 years. We're going to build the line first and just hope Jesus blesses us with the winning lottery ticket of a QB in a Tom Brady or Russell Wilson. Just the way you wanted it.
no, that's not it. pat & I are on board with drafting a QB etc, but y'all saying a QB is going shine this turd OL ain't happening. There were two veteran linemen on the 2011 team that made a diff compared with last season's OL.

There were times throughout the past 7 seasons where the Chiefs could "have something in the OL" but there were a lot more times where this OL was a goddamn circus attraction and Jamaal looked amazing for getting his big runs in all that mayhem.

Last season's OL was fool's gold again. But what's more important about this thread is that Baldy is telling Reid's moves and they are going to sweep out the members of this OL, many of them.

I'd still grab Geno Smith with the first pick if it were me. Eric Fisher is a dime a dozen, Joeckel is cool too, but none of the guys up top have the wow factor Geno Smith has for me. if I was doing it, I'd get FA RT and a C/OG from FA also.

I know a lot of guys I argue with would like having Geno here too, but the more I look at the info concerning Dorsey/Reid, the more I doubt Geno Smith is going to become the pick.
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Did Peyton Hillis run the ball at will in 2012? How about Thomas Jones in 2010 or 2011?

The Chiefs haven't had a back with 150+ carries over 4.0 yards per attempt in the past 3 years besides Jamaal Charles. Jackie Battle came the closest with 4.0 YPA on 149 carries in 2011. Dexter McCluster had a good 4.5 YPA average in 2011, but it was on only 114 carries. Here are the others:

2012 Peyton Hillis 3.6 YPA on 309 carries
2012 Shaun Draughn 3.9 YPA on 233 carries
2011 Thomas Jones 3.1 YPA on 153 carries
2010 Thomas Jones 3.7 YPA on 245 carries

That's dismal. Add to that the struggles the Chiefs have had converting short yardage and goal line situations and you realize you've got OL problems. A better QB will help, but it's not a panacea.
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Hillis had 309 carries this year? Thats damn near 20 carries per game, I don't think thats right.
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A RB averaging 4 yards per carry is dismal?
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There is no way Hillis had 300 carries

Guess the team would average over 200 yards a game rushing with a decent line, eh guys Would have had 400 on Baltimore and Indy
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This is a pretty shit class at the top. If they want to take Fisher to be a bookend RT, fine, do it. It's about the only guy that makes sense at this point if we sign another CB.
if this guy turns out to be a RT exclusively and the Chiefs ended up drafting a RT with #1 I am going to cease being a Chiefs fan.
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pat that is a mistake -- "309 yds, 85 carries"

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...H/HillPe00.htm
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Alot of our OL problems will/could be fixed by fixing the QB spot, obviously. Look at what a smart vet like Orton was able to do.

Fixed simply by not allowing the defense to put 8/9 in the box and just play downhill cause we have no pass game.

We need work up front, but not sure it's a major overhaul.
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A RB averaging 4 yards per carry is dismal?
ya but we are talking about a guy avging 23 yds/game.
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Hillis had 309 carries this year? Thats damn near 20 carries per game, I don't think thats right.
Yeah right... that math isnt adding up, that sorry **** didnt even get ten a game.
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Alot of our OL problems will/could be fixed by fixing the QB spot, obviously. Look at what a smart vet like Orton was able to do.

Fixed simply by not allowing the defense to put 8/9 in the box and just play downhill cause we have no pass game.

We need work up front, but not sure it's a major overhaul.
Imagine that!!!!!!!!! Teams also knew they could blitz us at will and the QB's could not only not change the correct protection, but couldn't read it worth a shit to make the correct hot read.

We had a nice line with some young potential on it before cutting Winston. Now, it appears we are pissing away the prime pick in the draft to "maybe" upgrade RT. Probably downgrade for a season or 2 TBH.
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Alot of our OL problems will/could be fixed by fixing the QB spot, obviously. Look at what a smart vet like Orton was able to do.

Fixed simply by not allowing the defense to put 8/9 in the box and just play downhill cause we have no pass game.

We need work up front, but not sure it's a major overhaul.
2011 and 2012 are different OL's. way way different OL's imo.
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We aren't going to be a rushing team with Reid in here anyway. We need our OL to pass block, when the opponent knows we are throwing.

It's going to be crucial that Reid keeps good balance in regards to that.
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Orton was able to do what he did without Charles running wild too.
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