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Old 12-11-2018, 11:14 AM  
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Trump says military to build border wall if Democrats refuse

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump sought Tuesday to pressure Democratic congressional leaders into supporting his demand for billions of dollars to build his promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, threatening to have the military build it “if Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country.”

Trump tweeted the threat hours before Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi were to meet with Trump at the White House in an effort to avert a partial government shutdown on Dec. 21, when funding for some agencies is scheduled to expire.

In a series of tweets Tuesday, Trump said immigration and border patrol agents and thousands of active-duty service members he sent to the border have done a “FANTASTIC” job. But he said “A Great Wall would be, however, a far easier & less expensive solution.”

Trump said he looked forward to meeting with Schumer and Pelosi, but claimed they don’t want border security for “strictly political reasons.”

“If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!” Trump said.

Schumer and Pelosi said Monday that Republicans have the power to keep the government open since they control Congress and the White House.

“Our country cannot afford a Trump Shutdown,” they said in a statement, adding that Trump “knows full well that his wall proposal does not have the votes to pass the House and Senate and should not be an obstacle to a bipartisan agreement.”

Republican congressional leaders have repeatedly said it’s up to Trump to cut a deal with Democrats, an acknowledgment of their inability to produce spending bills with Republican votes alone.

That gives Democrats some momentum heading into the closed-door talks, which also could veer into bipartisan bills on criminal justice reform and reauthorizing farm programs.

By far, the biggest unresolved issue is the border wall. Trump wants the next funding package to include at least $5 billion for it, an idea Democrats have flatly rejected.

Pelosi and Schumer have urged Trump to support a bill that includes a half-dozen government funding bills largely agreed upon by lawmakers, along with a separate measure that funds the Department of Homeland Security at current levels through Sept. 30. The homeland bill includes about $1.3 billion for fencing and other security measures at the border.

If Trump rejects that, Democrats will likely urge a continuing resolution that funds all the remaining appropriations bills at current levels through Sept. 30, an aide said. The aide was not authorized to discuss strategy by name and requested anonymity.

Trump said Friday that Congress should provide all the money he wants for the wall and called illegal immigration a “threat to the well-being of every American community.” At an appearance in Kansas City, Missouri, Trump accused Democrats of playing a political game and said he ultimately would win.

Pelosi, who is seeking to become House speaker when the new Congress convenes in January, said she and many other Democrats consider the wall “immoral, ineffective and expensive” and noted that Trump promised during the 2016 campaign that Mexico would pay for the wall, an idea Mexico has repeatedly rejected.

Schumer said Democrats want to work with Trump to avert a shutdown, but said money for border security should not include the concrete wall Trump has envisioned. Instead, the money should be used for fencing and technology that experts say is appropriate, he said.

“We do not want to let a Trump temper tantrum govern our policies or cause the shutdown of a government, which everyone on both sides of the aisle knows is the wrong idea,” Schumer said. If Trump “wants to shut down the government over Christmas over the wall, that’s his decision,” he said.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., the incoming House Homeland Security chairman, said using the military to build the wall “just doesn’t make any sense. I can think of a lot more important things we can do with the military then build a fence,” he said Tuesday.

Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee, said Trump is the only obstacle between fully funding the government and a shutdown.

“Time and again, President Trump has used the government of the American people as a bargaining chip for his fabricated solution to his manufactured crisis,” Leahy said Monday in a Senate speech.

Trump “wants to score a made-for-reality-TV moment and he doesn’t care how many hardworking Americans will suffer for it,” Leahy said. “This is not about border security. This is about politics, pure and simple.”

House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, R-La., said Democrats were the ones playing politics.

If Democrats have a better way to secure the border than Trump’s $5 billion plan, “they need to come with an alternative,” Scalise said Monday on Fox News Channel. “They can’t come and say they want to shut the government down for no reason because they don’t want border security. They’ll lose that argument with the American people.”
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:05 AM   #91
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He didn't block Trump from using funds. Trump can use all the funds he can get from congress.
All he did was follow what the constitution says. You can't take money allocated for one thing and spend on something else.

Do you really want ANY president to be able to do that? Think that through.
Does the Constitution say that Congress can't provide flexible funding based on emergency conditions? That's what they did here.

Do you really want the President to have to wait for a judge to decide whether he can act every time an emergency occurs? Think that through.
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:07 AM   #92
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He didn't block Trump from using funds. Trump can use all the funds he can get from congress.
All he did was follow what the constitution says. You can't take money allocated for one thing and spend on something else.

Do you really want ANY president to be able to do that? Think that through.
I understand what you're saying, but I stand by my point. I would love to hear a plausible explanation as to why the Dems are blocking his efforts to fund the effort to build the wall and secure the southern border. If they weren't doing that, we wouldn't be talking about this Obama judge and his dipshit ruling right now. And plese don't tell me this guy is a Constitutional purist, because nobody believes that.

And don't make me go research how much money Obama allocated through EO's, because I really don't want to do that. Iran jumps immediately to mind with the airplanes full of cash, but I'm not sure if that was EO or not.
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:09 AM   #93
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Does the Constitution say that Congress can't provide flexible funding based on emergency conditions? That's what they did here.

Do you really want the President to have to wait for a judge to decide whether he can act every time an emergency occurs? Think that through.
And this
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Congress deemed it not an emergency
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:13 AM   #95
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Just watched another CNN propaganda piece. They juxtaposed the picture of the dead father and daughter that drowned in the Rio Grande with derogatory commentary about the Trump administration's alleged cover up of conditions in migrant camps/facilities maintained by the U.S. The intent was clear: somehow blame the dead father and daughter on the Trump administration. There is no level they won't sink to in order to sink Trump. Just sad.
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Congress deemed it not an emergency
And I would love to hear why, considering all the hand wringing and haranguing going on about the poor kids being separated from their abusive parents and all with no access to toothpaste and such.
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Congress deemed it not an emergency
They tried but failed to deem it not an emergency per the statute they wrote.
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And I would love to hear why, considering all the hand wringing and haranguing going on about the poor kids being separated from their abusive parents and all with no access to toothpaste and such.
Don't let PB fool you. They took a vote to reject the President's declaration and failed to achieve a veto-proof margin. Therefore, it's an official emergency.
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Just watched another CNN propaganda piece. They juxtaposed the picture of the dead father and daughter that drowned in the Rio Grande with derogatory commentary about the Trump administration's alleged cover up of conditions in migrant camps/facilities maintained by the U.S. The intent was clear: somehow blame the dead father and daughter on the Trump administration. There is no level they won't sink to in order to sink Trump. Just sad.
"Concentration camps! Interment! Basic human needs not being met! Oh the humanity!"

"No national emergency at the border. No funds for the wall for you."
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Don't let PB fool you. They took a vote to reject the President's declaration and failed to achieve a veto-proof margin. Therefore, it's an official emergency.
Fantastic. In that case, let's go ahead and overrule U.S. District Court Judge Haywood Gilliam's bullshit block.
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Basically this is a move by the ACLU and a group called The Sierra Club, both of whom are heavily invested in allowing illegals to flood into the country. The Sierra Club hides behind shit like saying a wall would do irreversible damage to the climate and worsen the potential destruction flash floods bring, when in fact they're just a globalist organization. The judge that ruled on this case is U.S. District Court Judge Haywood Gilliam, an Obama appointee.

Is it too far to say that all these people listed above are acting in a treasonous manner towards the well being of the United State, and because of which should all be prosecuted as such? Because I don't think it is.
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Just trying to make sure the little illegal alien kiddos have soap, cosmo. Why is the Obama judge against that?
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:35 AM   #103
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I understand what you're saying, but I stand by my point. I would love to hear a plausible explanation as to why the Dems are blocking his efforts to fund the effort to build the wall and secure the southern border. If they weren't doing that, we wouldn't be talking about this Obama judge and his dipshit ruling right now. And plese don't tell me this guy is a Constitutional purist, because nobody believes that.

And don't make me go research how much money Obama allocated through EO's, because I really don't want to do that. Iran jumps immediately to mind with the airplanes full of cash, but I'm not sure if that was EO or not.
Because not everybody, republicans included (you remember when they had control of the house and senate) thinks building a wall along the southern border is the best way to secure the border. Seriously man, even though you might think Trump should be able to do what he wants it just doesn't work that way.


I don't know if ther judge is or is not. What I do know is his stated reason for ruling the way he did is legit.

And I stand by my point. The president does not now and never did have that kind of authority. And you should be damn happy he doesn't. Think about what will/could happen if B. Sanders or Warren gets elected.


Anyways, already spent too much time on this. I got too much shit to take care of at home. I'm sure one of the grandkids is doing something to get in trouble over as I type.
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Just trying to make sure the little illegal alien kiddos have soap, cosmo. Why is the Obama judge against that?
He's against soap? I don't know what you're babbling about.


Sit down and listen. Try to understand this:

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it is treason.
Just because you think something is harmful doesn't mean it is treason.
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