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Old 07-14-2019, 09:13 PM  
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Death Penalty: support or oppose?

Curious how many oppose it. There was a sentencing out of Florida (where else) that made me wonder if anyone can make the case the man shouldnít be executed.

Iím going to put spoiler tags around it. Itís a crime against his 1yr old daughter. Donít read it if itíll be too much. Also, itís a yes/know question, so saying ďIn limited casesĒ means yes.


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Old 07-14-2019, 10:21 PM   #31
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Deflection is a form of apologetics, and that's 100% what you did.

Moron.

Plus your criticism was inaccurate based on the discussion.

Dumb****.

So pay attention more closely when trying to pwn people and you might faceplant less often.
There is no way to arrive at the conclusion that I was defending the guy. What part minimized his crime or argued his innocence?
Your post was just a complete effort by you to be a dishonest POS.
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:26 PM   #32
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There is no way to arrive at the conclusion that I was defending the guy. What part minimized his crime or argued his innocence?
Your post was just a complete effort by you to be a dishonest POS.
You took a quote that conservatives make regarding abortion and equated it to a discussion currently being had about executing a man who raped his daughter, recorded it, and posted it online.

In what was a blatant misrepresentation of the discussion being held to top it off.

If I have to explain to you WHY that's morally depraved and scandalous, you're pretty much a hopeless asshole anyway.

It was a flaccid attempt at a partisan gotcha. Just shut the **** up and move on to ruining another thread with your rampant douchebaggery.
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:36 PM   #33
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Cosmos doesn't understand the difference between taking innocent life and someone guilty of a capital crime, having their life taken to pay for their crime. Pay damages isn't going to bring the person they killed back. One is form of justice whether one agrees with the state doing it or not. I don't think it should be hands of people for vigilante justice, but only upon conviction after a fair trial and appeals process. For me only in the horrific cases of like multiple murder. Someone like Charlie Manson for instance.
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:39 PM   #34
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When I was a young man, I was all for the death penalty. The worst of people, those who killed others, or did things almost as evil, were surrendering their right to life. After all, those evil bastards had appeal after appeal, and years or decades, to prove they were innocent.

Then I became a bit older, more acquainted with the happenings of the legal world, and a bit wiser. I saw the problems of bad evidence, bad attorneys, and insufficient technology, as well as corruption on the legal side. DNA clearings, FBI members allowing people to rot in jail for decades when they knew the people had done nothing, and more became too much to put aside. I changed my position to being in favor of the death penalty only in those rare cases where the evidence was incontrovertible, and the defendant confessed on top of that.

Then I became even older, the U.S. approach to almost everything changed, and principle joined with the (hopefully) increased wisdom. I saw the problems with letting a government, any government, decide when it was free to kill its own citizens. Obama picking and choosing which U.S. citizens to drone, in secret, with no declaration of war, and no oversight. People in non-death penalty jurisdictions calling for (re)implementation of the death penalty, but only for cop killers, elevating the life of a cop above the lives of regular citizens, and other such abominations showed me that we simply cannot trust the government to ever have the authority to kill its own citizenry outside the necessities of police work, the certainty of an imminent attack on the country, or the parameters of a declared war.
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:43 PM   #35
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Well, I do NOT support capital punishment under our current system at all. This is more pragmatic in not killing potentially innocent people (which our system does far too frequently) moreso than out of some reverence for all life.

In concept I do support it. Sparingly used and only in cases of absolute and unquestioned guilt.

It's hard to really dive into this topic without discussing the need for top to bottom reform in this area of law enforcement. It's all a huge mess mostly designed to be retributive moreso than corrective.
Same for me, you simply cannot take any chances on those that are 100% guilty of them ever being free. Our system is obviously flawed the way it is though so if even one innocent could be killed then it's an absolute no.
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:55 PM   #36
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Same for me, you simply cannot take any chances on those that are 100% guilty of them ever being free. Our system is obviously flawed the way it is though so if even one innocent could be killed then it's an absolute no.
The problem is both GC and JPB have pointed out that's it's a special exception kind of deal and, well, that's just shaky territory. It does, in fact, require a lot of faith given to the government, and on top of that there's no reason to expect they'd hold to that standard. Governments tend to simply expand upon their own power.

So Yanno. My pro-stance is a bit myopic. I can accept that. It's what I think, but how much can I trust any government to hold true to that standard of absolute guilt?
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:56 PM   #37
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I respect that view. Thanks for the honesty. I had an ex who was super Lib and hated the death penalty and when we killed Osama she said she wanted him captured.
I think a good argument could be made that it was a necessity for us to kill Osama. If he was captured a lot of blood would be shed by zealots trying to free him. Putting Osama in prison wouldn't protect our society from that.
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:58 PM   #38
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You took a quote that conservatives make regarding abortion and equated it to a discussion currently being had about executing a man who raped his daughter, recorded it, and posted it online.

In what was a blatant misrepresentation of the discussion being held to top it off.

If I have to explain to you WHY that's morally depraved and scandalous, you're pretty much a hopeless asshole anyway.

It was a flaccid attempt at a partisan gotcha. Just shut the **** up and move on to ruining another thread with your rampant douchebaggery.
The thread is a discussion of the death penalty. I made an obervation of what I often hear from hypocrite conservatives.
You, for some reason, apparenty, somehow, interpreted that as defending a rapist. You're being an idiot or a dishonest asshole, or both.

Much like babbly lee, you have an auto-impluse for pretentious lecturing, even if the lecture has no connection to what apparently triggered it. Maybe we can chalk up your BS response to that.
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:59 PM   #39
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The thread is a discussion of the death penalty. I made an obervation of what I often hear from hypocrite conservatives.
You, for some reason, apparenty, somehow, interpreted that as defending a rapist. You're being an idiot or a dishonest asshole, or both.

Much like babbly lee, you have an auto-impluse for pretentious lecturing, even if the lecture has no connection to what apparently triggered it. Maybe we can chalk up your BS response to that.
Engage in the topic.

You haven't done so yet.

I have. You're trying to 'win' something. Grow up.

Tell us your opinion on the matter and engage, like an adult, with the rest of us. It's not hard to read this thread and see that your goal is to be a ****ing dickhead.
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Old 07-14-2019, 11:16 PM   #40
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Wut and have us also pay to feed and house him? Then Dems will some day allow him to vote. Not on your life.

He's one less mouth to feed.
I could accept that some societies need capital punishment because they can't afford to feed and house criminals. The amount of money the US spends to feed and house criminals who deserve death isn't a significant portion of its GDP. In the USA not wanting to feed and house him really isn't any different than not wanting to share the same oxygen in the atmosphere with him. You just want him dead. Satisfying your or my wants isn't a necessity.
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Old 07-14-2019, 11:26 PM   #41
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The simple fact is that once someone has been executed there is no way to undue that or make restitution.

Since human beings are innately flawed the justice system is also innately flawed. Better to be able to undue and make restitution than do something that you can't take back.

That and I really really don't want to give the state the power to kill outside of war.
That is a very good point. If you accept capital punishment as part of your justice system, you have to accept that some innocents will inevitably be killed because of human error or deliberate framing. Our society doesn't need to kill those innocents to protect ourselves.
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Old 07-14-2019, 11:27 PM   #42
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The anti-death penalty people are murdering everyone in this thread. I'm tapping out.
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Old 07-14-2019, 11:38 PM   #43
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The thread is a discussion of the death penalty. I made an obervation of what I often hear from hypocrite conservatives.
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Youíve never heard that even once.
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**** man. I didn't open the spoiler and some of you still gave a summary of what happened.... Now I'm in a bad mood.


I think he should die so I guess I'd answer yes to the question. But I also think he should be tortured for as many days as possible before his body just gives up and dies. So I'm not really answering from a legality standpoint.


Ugh...I don't understand how some people can be THAT ****ed up.
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The most serious crimes deserve the most serious punishments.

That is death.
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