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Old 03-09-2013, 10:12 PM  
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Here's something I didn't expect: remember Colin Brown?

Hilariously terrible 5th round selection by Scott ***** in the famed horrific 2009 draft class?

Something like the 57th rated tackle that year?

He just got a two-year extension with the Buffalo Bills, who play him at guard but really like him at center:

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Best fit as a center (he can also play guard and even tackle), Brown was placed on the injured reserve back in October with hamstring injury, as it seemed like every Bills offensive lineman was going down with some sort of an ailment. Brown looked solid in the lone game he played this season, as he was thrust into the starting line-up at right guard in the blowout loss against the San Francisco 49ers. Brown, who filled in for Kraig Urbik (out with a high-ankle sprain), made a strong impact during his time in the game as both a run blocker and pass protector.

Generally well-liked by the fans, Colin Brown was expected to get roughly $1.3 million in restricted free agency on a one-year tender, and instead he will be getting a little bit over $1.4 million for two seasons. Still, Brown’s spot on the Buffalo Bills 2013 53-man roster is far from guaranteed, but he should be able to make it through training camp and the preseason with a spot on the roster. Brown, again, showed some promise against the 49ers and has the kind of versatility that makes him a valuable backup offensive lineman in the NFL.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:21 PM   #61
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Adequate GMs don't blow picks on Arenas, McCluster, Baldwin, Bailey, who are all utterly ****ing worthless, and probably a couple more garbage picks from 2012.

And throw in 2009 as a disaster.
2009 is what average drafts look like, honestly.

A few starters, a couple reserves, and a few busts.

We forget that because we've been repeating the "2009 was an abortion!" mantra for four years. But it wasn't, at least not the draft.

The biggest crime of the 2009 draft was trading the high 2nd for Matt Cassel, who basically single-handedly torpedoed this franchise for four years while ***** played the fiddle.

Getting pissed off at that decision is 100% understandable. And if you believe that poisoned the well against the rest of the draft, that's also 100% understandable.

But calling the other picks total garbage is pretty much deadwrong.

This team has had some extremely good drafting over the past half-decade that we forget what an average draft looks like.

Check out some of the Vermeil drafts if you want to see an organization shit itself at the draft.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:30 PM   #62
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The 2009 draft class:

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU -- still a solid-ish starter for the Chiefs

2. traded for QB Matt Cassel, who single-handedly got ***** fired

3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue -- played in the Arena Football League for the Utah Blaze last year, holy shit what a terrible pick.

4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State -- been out of professional football since the Chiefs cut him last summer

5. OT Colin Brown, Chiefs -- see OP

6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State -- turned into a pretty good reserve DB eventually, played reserve safety for the Dolphins last year

7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State -- spent last season deep on the Redskins depth chart (his fifth team)

7. TE Jake O'Connell, Miami (OH) -- still with the Chiefs
Holy Jesus, that is turrible.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:30 PM   #63
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Justin Houston and Eric Berry are good players. 0 other playmakers. ZERO. In four drafts. Inexcusable.
I don't know, at the same time he had to completely construct our front seven and the offensive line. So he had a shit ton of thankless heavy lifting to do.

He can hardly be blamed for the shit offensive line job he had to undertake.

But I will say he has himself to blame for the gargantuan task he gave himself for deciding to turn the smallest front seven in the NFL (Herm's Cover 2) into a radically different 2-gap 3-4, which demands the biggest front seven in the NFL.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:30 PM   #64
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We've been having this stupid discussion for four years now.

*****'s drafts were not good, and when you cite Javier Arenas as examples of "hits," that's all the proof your opposition needs.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:32 PM   #65
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Seriously. The entire 2009 draft is worthless outside Ryan Succop.

Not a single player who deserves to be on our roster, including Tyson Jackson, the 30th rated DE in the NFL.

And that's average?

GTFO.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:37 PM   #66
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Seriously. The entire 2009 draft is worthless outside Ryan Succop.

Not a single player who deserves to be on our roster, including Tyson Jackson, the 30th rated DE in the NFL.

And that's average?
A couple starters, a couple reserve players, and a few busts.

That's average in the NFL.

You'd like to do better than that, seeing how that's what wins in the NFL.

But an average draft isn't garbage. It's average.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:38 PM   #67
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I just got done explaining to you: there are 0 starters from that draft.

There's one reserve, and he was the #3 pick.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:41 PM   #68
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All things considered, our drafts under ***** were as strong as anybody's in the league. I'd say we were a Top 8 drafting team in *****'s years. That darts up to the Top 4 or 5 when you include Herm's final year.

It was that ****ing QB position that he just never fixed. Ever.
Did you just bong a quart of mercury?

The team won two ****ing games last year, and it would have won zero if not for the 2008 draft class.
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09 an average class? I've heard it all now, haha.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:44 PM   #70
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I just got done explaining to you: there are 0 starters from that draft.
Tyson Jackson, Ryan Succop, Jovan Belcher.

All three are/were starting caliber players at their positions.

O'Connell and Brown are still usable reserves in the NFL.

Williams, Lawrence, and Magee were total busts.

All of this is not a big screaming deal, until you get to trading the 2nd away for Cassel. Which is clearly where all the hyperemotion against the 2009 draft comes from.

But it's misdirected hostility to take that and scorn the entire collection of players.

We can get pissed because it's not an outstanding draft, and it isn't. But drafts that are just average aren't garbage. They're just average.
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Pioli was fired, Direckshun.

You can stop defending him.

You lost.
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Did you just bong a quart of mercury?

The team won two ****ing games last year, and it would have won zero if not for the 2008 draft class.
This team won two games because it had the league's worst head coach and the league's worst offensive coordinator and the league's worst quarterbacks.
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***** was fired, Direckshun.

You can stop defending him.

You lost.
Just talking football.
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Jake O'Connell is the worst TE I have ever seen.
Alex Magee washed out after a year as a third round pick.
Matt Cassel was the worst starting QB in the league.
Tyson Jackson is one of the biggest reaches in NFL history.
Javarris Williams and Quinten Lawrence did absolutely nothing in the NFL
Ryan Succop is nothing more than a mediocre NFL kicker.
Brown has played in one? NFL game
Washington wasn't good enough to start for a completely depleted secondary and caught on absolutely nowhere else.

That draft is nothing other than hot garbage. I know you originally gave it a high grade after giving the 2008 draft a ****ing C. That's the only rationale I can muster for why you'd defend such an atrocious pile of shit as that draft.
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This team won two games because it had the league's worst head coach and the league's worst offensive coordinator and the league's worst quarterbacks.
With horrible contributions from a guy taken 3rd overall in 09 and a garbage QB dealt for an 09 2nd. T-Jack was horrible last year...HORRIBLE.
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