Other Sports **2014 Official NBA Playoffs Thread** - Page 294

-King- · 09:39 PM

Round 1:

EAST:

#8 Hawks @ #1 Pacers
#7 Bobcats @ #2 Heat
#6 Nets @ #3 Raptors
#5 Wizards @ #4 Bulls

WEST:
#8 Mavericks @ #1 Spurs
#7 Grizzlies @ #2 Thunder
#6 Warriors @ #3 Clippers
#5 Blazers @ #4 Rockets

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 06-13-2014, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Damn you.

You can do this with anybody's posts. You should post the times I was right in 2012 and 2013.

The Mavs were better, they beat them in 6. Isn't that the deciding factor? How else would you judge it?

It's not about you being right or wrong. Hell, Im always wrong. I know it seems like cherry picking, but you have completed changed your opinion on this series over time. Probably due to homerism.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5811

KC_Connection · 06-13-2014, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

It's not about you being right or wrong. Hell, Im always wrong. I know it seems like cherry picking, but you have completed changed your opinion on this series over time. Probably due to homerism.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5811

No, what I'm telling you is that the Heat changed their style and system significantly after the first year. It's part of the reason why LeBron's efficiency has shot up, particularly the last two years. They became much more of a well oiled machine (with Spurs-like ball movement) instead of a bunch of talented individuals playing for themselves. They also brought in more guys conducive to LeBron's style of play. Sure, in the Mavs series, they had the superior talent, but they didn't play at all then like they did in the following years. I didn't know anybody even doubted that.

I mean, do you remember when there were debates about who should get the ball at the end of games on that team between LeBron and Wade? That shit ended after year 1. It became LeBron's team and LeBron's ball in those moments after that point.

KevB · 06-13-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No its not. He bounced around the DL League and Europe, Pop made him into what he is. If he was a free agent this season and he went somewhere else, nobody would know jack shit about him. Its more of a compliment to Pop than anything else.

He convinced him that being a 3 and D guy was his path, but he still had to put in the work to become as good as he has. Would he have gotten there without Pop? Probably not.

GloryDayz · 06-13-2014, 03:37 PM

It's not over until the fat lady sings....

**dirk digler** · 06-13-2014, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

But that's the issue. The quote you posted from MJ's trainer and backed as the "truth" basically implied that a player should be penalized for that, which is absurd.

Go back and read his quote. The biggest point he made is Jordan won his titles in 6 games or less and he never lost.

**Tribal Warfare** · 06-13-2014, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Heat were worse than the Mavs?

Ummm, ok.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

At the time, definitely. They weren't a "team" at that point in any sense of the word, just a bunch of talents mixed together. It was only in the years that followed that LeBron, Wade, and Bosh grew into their roles.

Which is the basic problem with the Heat playing the Spurs, the Heat is essentially running a streetball team attempting to emulate the 80's Lakers. While the Spurs are playing as a professional B-Ball team fundamentally working towards a goal.

KC_Connection · 06-13-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Go back and read his quote. The biggest point he made is Jordan won his titles in 6 games or less and he never lost.

The primary point was that he was 6 for 6 in finals (which basically rewards him for not leading a team to the finals earlier than he did and hurts those like LeBron who advanced through the playoffs). Those Bulls teams didn't really have any equals, though (especially in the last 3), so that other stat isn't too surprising.

KC_Connection · 06-13-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Which is the basic problem with the Heat playing the Spurs, the Heat is essentially running a streetball team attempting to emulate the 80's Lakers. While the Spurs are playing as a professional B-Ball team fundamentally working towards a goal.

No, the Heat WERE that (which is my point), but they aren't that way anymore. They visibly changed over time:

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This won’t surprise you: The Miami Heat have one of the best offenses in the NBA. But as entertaining as it is to watch the two-time defending NBA champions execute, it’s been equally fascinating to watch them evolve. The Heat’s approach to scoring has changed drastically over the past few years. Just ask LeBron James.

“No one cares who shoots,” James told me. “We went from a team that played a lot of isolation basketball to [being] first or second in the league in assists. Everyone on the team feels so comfortable offensively. We get the ball from one side to the other side, shifting the defense then attacking it or spraying out for 3s.”

Scoring in the NBA is by no means easy. But when James is on the floor, Miami sure makes it look that way. The Heat are currently averaging an insane 111.9 points per 100 possessions with James on the floor.1 It’s convenient to suggest that Miami’s proficient scoring is merely a byproduct of its talent, but that overlooks a remarkable transformation in the team’s philosophy and system. Yes, Miami has several gifted players, but as we saw last season in Los Angeles, talent alone guarantees nothing in the NBA. Teamwork and intelligent schemes are still required. Getting players to collectively generate value rather than just contribute as individuals is still the hallmark of winning basketball; it’s also the hallmark of the current Heat offense.

http://grantland.com/features/lebron...olved-offense/

**dirk digler** · 06-13-2014, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The primary point was that he was 6 for 6 in finals (which basically rewards him for not leading a team to the finals earlier than he did and hurts those like LeBron who advanced through the playoffs). Those Bulls teams didn't really have any equals, though (especially in the last 3), so that other stat isn't too surprising.

His point was MJ was so dominant of a player he never needed 7 games and he never lost because of his dominance.

And anyone who is honest knows that the competition in the East then is nothing compared to the shit fest it is now. Those Celtics teams he faced earlier in his playoff career were one of the greatest teams ever and then there will never be a team like the Bad Boys again. I imagine if those Bulls teams were playing in this day and age they would sweep through the playoffs and win the Finals in 4-5 games. Be like taking candy from a baby.

KC_Connection · 06-13-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

His point was MJ was so dominant of a player he never needed 7 games and he never lost because of his dominance.

And that he went 6 for 6 in finals. In fact, that's what he led with in the quote and what I took issue with due to the lack of logic of it.

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And anyone who is honest knows that the competition in the East then is nothing compared to the shit fest it is now. Those Celtics teams he faced earlier in his playoff career were one of the greatest teams ever and then there will never be a team like the Bad Boys again. I imagine if those Bulls teams were playing in this day and age they would sweep through the playoffs and win the Finals in 4-5 games. Be like taking candy from a baby.

They were awesome, but I'm not sure they would clown this particular Spurs team quite like that. Jordan was certainly fortunate to have such a great team around him, though, I know.

**Tribal Warfare** · 06-13-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

No, the Heat WERE that (which is my point), but they aren't that way anymore. They visibly changed over time:

http://grantland.com/features/lebron...olved-offense/

They still are when they are backed into a wall it's not a team game in comparison to the Spurs. The Heat rely on two players which are Lebron and Wade in every way possible during the season to now which is why they are running on fumes.

Deberg_1990 · 06-13-2014, 04:37 PM

Is Spolestra a really good coach....or just an extremely lucky one?

KC_Connection · 06-13-2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

They still are when they are backed into a wall it's not a team game in comparison to the Spurs. The Heat rely on two players which are Lebron and Wade in every way possible during the season to now which is why they are running on fumes.

No, they actually aren't. They're playing very much the same way with LeBron creating good shots and opportunities for himself and others. The Spurs are just better than them in nearly every aspect.

And they didn't rely on Wade at all this year, he sat out 30 games during the season specifically so he would be well rested for a series like this (LeBron carried them instead). It didn't end up mattering, though, because he's a complete shell of his former self.

KC_Connection · 06-13-2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Is Spolestra a really good coach....or just an extremely lucky one?

It can be both.

Mother****erJones · 06-13-2014, 04:39 PM

We're gona win not 1, not 2, not 3, but 8 titles. Is that what those douchebags said?

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