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Old 03-28-2008, 08:50 AM  
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Condi Rice: USA still has trouble dealing with race because of slavery

I hate bringing up the race issue but I thought this was interesting. It appears Obama and Condi are in total agreement.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...746301768/1001

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States still has trouble dealing with race because of a national "birth defect" that denied black Americans the opportunities given to whites at the country's very founding.

"Black Americans were a founding population," she said. "Africans and Europeans came here and founded this country together Europeans by choice and Africans in chains. That's not a very pretty reality of our founding."

As a result, Miss Rice told editors and reporters at The Washington Times, "descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that."

"That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today," she said.

Race has become an issue in this year's presidential campaign, which prompted a much-discussed speech last week by Sen. Barack Obama, one of the two remaining contenders for the Democratic nomination.

Miss Rice declined to comment on the campaign, saying only that it was "important" that Mr. Obama "gave it for a whole host of reasons."

But she spoke forcefully on the subject, citing personal and family experience to illustrate "a paradox and contradiction in this country," which "we still haven't resolved."

On the one hand, she said, race in the U.S. "continues to have effects" on public discussions and "the deepest thoughts that people hold." On the other, "enormous progress" has been made, which allowed her to become the nation's chief diplomat.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:09 AM   #2
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Why is Condi such a racist?


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Old 03-28-2008, 09:14 AM   #3
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Well Condi is a liberal RINO republican then.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:14 AM   #4
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did she just imply that being Black is a birth defect? sheeesh.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:16 AM   #5
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did she just imply that being Black is a birth defect? sheeesh.
No, she said that our nation was defective at its birth.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:22 AM   #6
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I assume thats what she meant but that quote is chopped up and could be read either way.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:28 AM   #7
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I assume thats what she meant but that quote is chopped up and could be read either way.
I can't see how.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:31 AM   #8
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look at the sequence

"descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that."

"That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today,"
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:39 AM   #9
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I wish that instead of attacking him for his pastor and opening the door to all these race issues, people would be attacking Barack Obama for how much he wants to grow government.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:42 AM   #10
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I wish that instead of attacking him for his pastor and opening the door to all these race issues, people would be attacking Barack Obama for how much he wants to grow government.
Pay no attention to that issue behind the curtain.

Probably because McCain is looking to do some too.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:48 AM   #11
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I wonder if this isn't positioning for a McCain/Rice vs Obama/some white guy general election.
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I wonder if this isn't positioning for a McCain/Rice vs Obama/some white guy general election.

If we honestly assess that race will play a role when the curtain closes, Rice as the VP of choice may actually hurt McCain.
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:01 AM   #13
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If we honestly assess that race will play a role when the curtain closes, Rice as the VP of choice may actually hurt McCain.
I don't really think it will. Sure there'll be a lot of pissing and moaning but in the end there's so many other issues.
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look at the sequence

"descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that."

"That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today,"
Thanks, but I wasn't asking for you to explain your mistake. It's no big deal.
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:54 AM   #15
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Do descendants of slaves have a disadvantage more difficult to overcome than immigrants?

I still say slavery sucked, was a pox on our history, but at that time in the world, it wasn't exactly an uncommon practice. Many other cultural groups experienced extreme discrimination early on. What I can't figure out is why Chinese Railroad workers, Italians, Irish, German immigrants in the early 1900's, as well as the asian and hispanic people who come here, or the cuban who floats over on an inflated garbage bag, are able to overcome the adversity.

I'm also trying to think of a better nation in the world to live for black people? Where else do more opportunities and freedoms exist today?
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