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Old 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM  
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Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:37 PM   #61
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Dane, if Geno Smith doesn't go in the first round, I'll write out a check for $1000 in the charity of your choice. You don't have to do anything except bookmark this post if you like.

And to further prove how RIDICULOUS I think it is that you would say "no one" has him worth a first round pick, I'll let you in on a little secret: giving away $1000 is not exactly a smart thing for me to do currently. I'm getting by just fine, but I don't just have $1000 lying around to throw away.

Hell, you may as well make it $100,000. Because I'm right, and I'm not going to wind up paying a single ****ing dime when draft night is over.
He'll go in the first round because a QB needy team will take him.

That doesn't mean that he's a consensus first rounder and this talk of him at #1 overall is Re-goddamn-diculous.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:38 PM   #62
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Christ, Dane.

Sit out a couple rounds. You're running on fumes, partner.
Riiight.

April 25th can't get here fast enough.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:38 PM   #63
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Pat Kirwin's a ****ing loser. Keep in mind, this guy oversaw personnel for the Jets when Rich Kotite was head coach and hasn't had a job in the NFL in 15+ years.

Bucky Brooks is a moron and if Jeremiah were worth a shit, he wouldn't have been unemployed with a website and a Twitter account for years before being hired by the NFL Network.
Give me a list of "credible" names, then. According to you, not a single one of them on your special list will have Geno in their top 20. And that's adjusted for positional value. I'm being very generous by cutting that number off at 20.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:39 PM   #64
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Oh, so we can't reference "unqualified idiots" to support our point, but your argument is allowed to be supported by your best friend who used to play college football at an entirely different position a long time ago?

You're not even worth arguing with if your points aren't based on a real foundation.
Hey, you dipshit mother****er, I said the same exact thing ON THIS FORUM, in 2001.

Furthermore, ****tard, YOU moved the goal posts, not me.

So shut the **** up.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:39 PM   #65
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PFC is saying the Chiefs will go hard after Sean Smith and William Moore and possibly trade a third rounder for Jeremy Maclin which I dont see to be so bad because we get an extra third for Brandon Carr.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:39 PM   #66
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Riiight.

April 25th can't get here fast enough.
You just got caught moving the goalposts.

Seriously, I mean, what are you doing in this thread? Seriously.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:39 PM   #67
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There is literally NO ONE saying that Geno Smith should be a first rounder, let alone #1 overall.

You guys are living in a ****ing fantasy land.
Two can play at that game, genius.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:40 PM   #68
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Give me a list of "credible" names, then. According to you, not a single one of them on your special list will have Geno in their top 20. And that's adjusted for positional value. I'm being very generous by cutting that number off at 20.
Clark Judge
Peter King
Rick Gosselin
Adam Schefter
Jay Glazer

How's that for starters?
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:40 PM   #69
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:41 PM   #70
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You just got caught moving the goalposts.

Seriously, I mean, what are you doing in this thread? Seriously.
What am I doing in this thread?

I'm ****ing laughing my ass off at YOU for saying it would be a "coup" for the Chiefs to draft Geno Smith at #1 overall in April.

That is ****ing ridiculous.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:41 PM   #71
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PFC is saying the Chiefs will go hard after Sean Smith and William Moore and possibly trade a third rounder for Jeremy Maclin which I dont see to be so bad because we get an extra third for Brandon Carr.
Well PFC nailed Alex Smith.

They deserve some benefit of the doubt, at least.

I'm not in favor of trading a third for Maclin, however. But c'est le vie.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:42 PM   #72
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Gotta love Chiefs fans.

Direckshun: "Acquiring a starting corner would allow us to break 30 years of misery and finally construct this team around a true, homeschooled franchise QB!"

ChiefsPlanet: "That corner sucks!"

Dude, we could sign Leon Sandcastle to line up across from Flowers for all I give a ****. ALL IN for OP premise.
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He'll go in the first round because a QB needy team will take him.

That doesn't mean that he's a consensus first rounder
I'll betcha 95% of draft gurus out there would say Geno is worth a first round pick. Either early, middle, or late, it doesn't matter.

That's consensus, dude. It's the same shit with Mark Sanchez. Not everybody liked him, but the overwhelming majority said a team in the first round should take him. It turns out one team traded UP to go get him.

That's consensus first round.

Geno Smith is a consensus first round pick.

Why am I even ****ing arguing with you? You don't actually mean any of this shit you're saying.

Hope you blow off the steam you need to, bree.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:42 PM   #74
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Hey, you dipshit mother****er, I said the same exact thing ON THIS FORUM, in 2001.

Furthermore, ****tard, YOU moved the goal posts, not me.

So shut the **** up.
You can swear at me and redirect your arguments all you want, Dane, but it doesn't make you correct.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:43 PM   #75
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Geno Sanchez
Pretty much.

I wanted Sanchez in 2009 over Cassel. As it turned out, it was a wash, if that.

But I wasn't obsessed with the guy, making post after post about him for 7 months before draft. As a matter of fact, I didn't post about him until he made it official in January.

The obsession with Geno Smith is utterly ridiculous. It's as if the guy is Joe Montana, Steve Young and Terry Bradshaw wrapped into one untouchable and infallible player.
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