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Old 11-08-2012, 11:15 AM  
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How to Get Free Stuff From the Government

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Old 11-10-2012, 01:11 PM   #91
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That's not even related.
It is to me, Ya see, you must interpret the way you read it.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:15 PM   #92
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It is to me, Ya see, you must interpret the way you read it.
Bullshit. Like I stated in my edit. You used a literal interpretation to prove a point, when asked about a problem with that you then used a metaphorical interpretation to prove it.

Either the bible is metaphorical or it is literal.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:22 PM   #93
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Bullshit. Like I stated in my edit. You used a literal interpretation to prove a point, when asked about a problem with that you then used a metaphorical interpretation to prove it.

Either the bible is metaphorical or it is literal.
I am not trying to convince you of anything, you are a bull headed liberal
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:28 PM   #94
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Bullshit. Like I stated in my edit. You used a literal interpretation to prove a point, when asked about a problem with that you then used a metaphorical interpretation to prove it.

Either the bible is metaphorical or it is literal.

You non believers need to get it through your thick skulls that you are not going to change our minds about the Bible
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:30 PM   #95
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I am not trying to convince you of anything, you are a bull headed liberal
That is good because you are not. I'm not as bullheaded as you think. All I ask is that if quoting a direct source from the bible to reinforce your beliefs then please provide a direct source in dealing with a conflict that arises from that statement and not some metaphorically conjured statement.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:31 PM   #96
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You non believers need to get it through your thick skulls that you are not going to change our minds about the Bible
you "believers" need to get it through your thick skulls that if that is an acceptable form of proof for you then you probably need to rethink your arguments.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:34 PM   #97
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you "believers" need to get it through your thick skulls that if that is an acceptable form of proof for you then you probably need to rethink your arguments.

No we don't , God said it and I believe end of argument as far as I see.


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Old 11-10-2012, 01:37 PM   #98
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No we don't , God said it and I believe end of argument as far as I see.


Lol, so no thought. Just a cutesy picture. Is that your defense mechanism?
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:39 PM   #99
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Lol, so no thought. Just a cutesy picture. Is that your defense mechanism?
That's it Son... I have nothing to prove. I love Jesus Christ and I am not ashamed to admit it.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:42 PM   #100
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That's it Son... I have nothing to prove. I love Jesus Christ and I am not ashamed to admit it.
I'm glad you do. Nothing to be ashamed of. I believe in christ, I believe in God, but I don't believe that the bible is God's word and the only evidence that there is out there to refute that is the bible, so I'll stick with my beliefs.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:44 PM   #101
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:51 PM   #102
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We Dems have been carrying you Repubs for a long time now. The Teapublicans squealing about "Takers vs Makers" & "Big Government" are the ones getting most of the handouts. Romney has looked at the 47%, and it is you. The left column are top ten states that pay more to the Feds than they get back. The right column are the top ten that receive more federal dollars than they pay in. You Romney supporters should be thanking us Obama supporters cuz we are having our money redistributed to you.

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Blue counties subsidize red counties

The same imbalance prevails within states, at the county level. The Blue counties contribute the most state taxes relative to the services they consume. The Red counties consume the most services relative to the taxes they pay. For example, a recent study documented the pattern in Washington state. King County, the solidly-Democratic county that surrounds Seattle, provides "nearly 42% of the state's tax revenues, yet receives only 25% of the money spend from Washington's general fund." Conversely, five counties that require the most in services relative to the taxes they pay are largely Republican.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:31 AM   #103
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There is probably a specific Obamaphone thread somewhere, but the title of this thread seemed appropriate for this story....

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...n-kay-melchior

Me and My Obamaphones
Not on welfare or below the poverty line? Never mind — here’s your free phone. By Jillian Kay Melchior

Confession: You’re paying my phone bill.
In the past month, I have received three shiny new cell phones, courtesy of American taxpayers, that should never have fallen into my hands.

The Federal Communications Commission oversees the so-called Lifeline program, created in 1984 to make sure impoverished Americans had telephone service available to call their moms, bosses, and 911. In 2008, the FCC expanded the program to offer subsidized cell-phone service, and since then, the expenses of running the program have soared. In 2012, the program’s costs had risen to $2.189 billion, up from $822 million before wireless carriers were included. As of June, there were 13.8 million active Lifeline subscriptions.

To be eligible for Lifeline, the applicant is supposed to be receiving some significant government benefit — food stamps, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income, public housing assistance, etc. But because welfare eligibility has expanded under the Obama administration, more people than ever before are qualified to receive “free” cell-phone service — part of the reason why Lifeline mobiles have become commonly known as Obamaphones. Alternatively, applicants can qualify if their household income is less than 136 percent of the federal poverty line.

But as with any federal program with too much funding, too little oversight, and perverse financial incentives, Lifeline has become infamous for rampant fraud and abuse. There have been news reports about recipients flaunting dozens of subsidized phones. And in February, the Wall Street Journal reported on an FCC audit of the top five Lifeline providers, which found that “41% of their more than six million subscribers either couldn’t demonstrate their eligibility or didn’t respond to requests for certification.”

The FCC supposedly buckled down on eligibility standards last year and established other safeguards aimed at reducing fraud. I was curious about how tough it was to get one of these phones, so last month, I hit the streets of New York. And out of respect for the law and my journalistic integrity, I did not lie to obtain a phone.

Now is the point, I suppose, where I should explain that I really, really shouldn’t have received a single phone. Despite what you hear, not all 20-something writers in the Big City are starving. Given my earnings, even if I were supporting a family of eight, my income would still rule me out. Nor do I receive any type of government benefit. By the Lifeline program’s standards, I am unambiguously ineligible.
My first task was figuring out where to register. The rule of thumb is that wherever you can sign up for food stamps, you can apply for an Obamaphone.

Representatives from SafeLink and Assurance, two of the leading New York Lifeline vendors, stand outside the food-stamp offices, paired like Mormon missionaries, young and polite and earnest. They carry electronic tablets and ask all passersby whether they’ve received their free phone “yet” — as if it were an inevitability.

They approached me for the first time outside the food-stamp office at Tenth Avenue and 216th Street, on the northern tip of Manhattan. The SafeLink vendor, a man probably in his mid 20s, asked me whether I was enrolled in any benefit programs.

“No,” I said, “but I’d certainly like to be. I’m hoping to be.” And indeed, while doing research for another story, I had gone through the motions of applying for New York City welfare, which I also don’t qualify for. I showed him my Human Resources Administration paperwork packet and the case number assigned to me. I reiterated that though I had once applied, I had never been approved for any sort of benefit.

He brought out his electronic tablet immediately to sign me up for phone service. He asked if I had an insurance card, so I pulled out my trusty Blue Cross Blue Shield. He looked at it for a second, puzzled, then asked if I had Medicaid. No, I told him, just private insurance through my work plan.

“Private insurance? What’s that?” he asked, maybe not facetiously. My BCBS card was nevertheless photographed, as well as the first page of my Human Resources Administration paperwork. He asked for my name and my home address, and that was about it. The whole process took less than five minutes, and I had to provide no documentation verifying my income level or (nonexistent) welfare status.

The SafeLink vendor then referred me to his opposite number, a rep from Assurance. She too took down my information, registering me for another Obamaphone.

Traveling to several of the welfare offices in the city, I learned this was common practice. Obamaphone reps come in twos, and both will sign you up if they can.

That’s a very questionable practice, given the Lifeline program’s rules: Each eligible household may receive only one Lifeline subsidy, and obtaining multiple subsidized phones from multiple Lifeline carriers is “a flat-out violation of our rules,” says Michelle Schaefer, an attorney-adviser from the FCC’s Telecommunications Access Policy Division, Wireline Competition Bureau

Schaefer also tells me that “consumers are, on their applications, required to certify under penalty of perjury that they will only be receiving one Lifeline discount.”

But when I went around New York signing up for multiple phones, I never even saw the applications; SafeLink and Assurance vendors filled out the necessary forms on their tablets on my behalf, clicking through so quickly that it must have been nearly muscle memory. And nobody mentioned perjury.

Granted, the first question the wireless reps asked was usually whether I was already enrolled in the Lifeline program. I told the truth: I had signed up recently, but the phone hadn’t arrived in the mail yet. Almost always, that got me re-entered into the system without hesitation.

When I did receive my SafeLink phone a few days later, I started informing vendors that I did have one Lifeline phone. They assured me that the Lifeline program permitted me to have one phone from each participating wireless provider — which simply isn’t true.

Maybe there’s a disconnect between the corporate offices of wireless providers and their men on the street; a letter I later received from Assurance mentioned that “a household is not permitted to receive Lifeline benefits from multiple providers. Violation of the one-per-household rule constitutes a violation of federal rules and will result in de-enrollment from the Lifeline program and potentially prosecution by the United States government.”

But the wireless providers aren’t doing much due diligence, if my experience is indicative.

At the Union Square location, a SafeLink rep noted that I was already approved for a phone and declined to re-enter my information — but the rep from Assurance, standing only a few feet away, readily signed me up.

At the welfare office on Schermerhorn Street in Brooklyn, a vendor hesitated when I told her that I’d already applied but the phone had not yet been delivered. “Surely your system will catch if I’m actually enrolled,” I told her. She shrugged and signed me up once more.
At the DeKalb Avenue office in Brooklyn, when I told the rep I wasn’t receiving welfare, I was signed up for a phone but cautioned that I might well be denied upon secondary review.

And at one Lifeline location in East Harlem, I walked up to the wireless representative talking very loudly on my own smartphone. I hung up only to answer her questions. Now, keep in mind that the program is supposed to provide cell-phone service to people too poor to afford any phone whatsoever — but my application for a subsidized mobile was happily submitted, even as I dinked around very obviously on my existing smartphone.

So here’s the final count: I was able to apply on the street for one SafeLink phone and seven Assurance phones. I received one SafeLink phone and two Assurance phones, no questions asked. For several other applications, Assurance sent me requests for more financial information.

Finally, I received one other letter, full of grammatical errors, informing me that “there is already an Assurance Wireless account established at this address” and requesting further information about my application. I find it curious that Assurance caught a duplicate only once, considering that I’ve got seven entries in their system, and that they have on file my name, address, HRA case number, and, in some instances, photos of my insurance card and driver’s license. SafeLink was slightly better about catching duplications on the street, but it still gave me a phone when it shouldn’t have.

Since receiving my undeserved phones, I’ve repeatedly tried to reach both SafeLink and Assurance press reps for comment, all to no avail. Their corporate offices have sent me the numbers of their customer-service centers, which are easily accessible and happy to offer plan upgrades to Lifeline clients.

Representative Tim Griffin (R., Ark.) has long opposed the Lifeline wireless subsidies, making it a pet cause. He reiterated the basic point I had learned from this experience: The problems began when the federal government got in the business of providing free cell phones, and the FCC’s recent reforms aren’t sufficient.

“I saw all the horror stories of people getting 10, 20, 30, 40 phones,” Griffin says, “the [wireless] companies not paying a lot of attention and in some cases no attention to who was getting them and whether they were getting duplicates.”

And if you’ve been wondering why the companies are so eager to hand out free phones, the incentive is built into the program. As Griffin explains, “Of course, the way the program was set up, [wireless companies] were getting money for every one they could give out, so they gave out as many as they could.”
And still do.

— Jillian Kay Melchior is a Thomas L. Rhodes Fellow for the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity.
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