Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 435

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Three7s · 07-03-2013, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think the days of the 4-man rotation are probably a thing of the past. With how much $$ is invested in pitchers, teams are going to do everything they can to keep starters fresh.

I'd stick with the 5-man rotation in a few weeks, rotating in Danny Duffy for Wade Davis.

I'd move Davis to the pen to solidify things a bit. I'd identify my LOOGY (probably Will Smith), and stick to using him as that. I'd DFA JC Gutierrez and Call up Louis Coleman. Collins goes down to work on FB command.

Roles:

CLoser: Holland
Clean inning: (Used in medium or long relief at start of innings) Chen, Hochevar
LOOGY: Will Smith
ROOGY: Louis Coleman
8th inning options: Crow, Davis

We really need Herrera to get his act together. Our bullpen fell apart when he got sent down. (not that I disagree with sending hom down, we just need another arm desperately)

Nightfyre · 07-03-2013, 03:41 PM

Why do people want to DFA Gutierrez. He has been pretty damn good.

Mr. Laz · 07-03-2013, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

We appear to be treading water, and just barely. Cleveland sweeps us, and seals our fate.

as soon as we are completely out of it several players will start playing better

Demonpenz · 07-03-2013, 03:53 PM

Alex Grand Slams and Jamaal Charles 100 yard rushing games..

ChiefsCountry · 07-03-2013, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think the days of the 4-man rotation are probably a thing of the past. With how much $$ is invested in pitchers, teams are going to do everything they can to keep starters fresh.

I'd stick with the 5-man rotation in a few weeks, rotating in Danny Duffy for Wade Davis.

I'd move Davis to the pen to solidify things a bit. I'd identify my LOOGY (probably Will Smith), and stick to using him as that. I'd DFA JC Gutierrez and Call up Louis Coleman. Collins goes down to work on FB command.

Roles:

CLoser: Holland
Clean inning: (Used in medium or long relief at start of innings) Chen, Hochevar
LOOGY: Will Smith
ROOGY: Louis Coleman
8th inning options: Crow, Davis

I likely.
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duncan_idaho · 07-03-2013, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Why do people want to DFA Gutierrez. He has been pretty damn good.

Because I think he isn't that good and doesn't have a long-term future in KC. I didn't realize he hasn't allowed an earned run since June 2.

It's probably time to use him in some higher leverage situations, then. Considering the rest of the pen's performance.

Coach · 07-03-2013, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Read the daily hit list from baseball prospectus for day and I thought to myself: "This author must be a Royals fan." Because this was his comment for the Royals: "The Royals got a grand slam from Alex Gordon and lost anyway because they're the Royals."

He's not a Royal's fan then. If he actually watched the game, and look at the stats, he would know that batting Escobar at 2nd is not recommended, and that Yost had to pull Hoch for Collins.

The author can go fist himself.

07-03-2013, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk

Love that not a single person posted in here saying they wanted C&O back. He's one of those people that you just know is definitely as annoying in real life, as he is on here.

Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

**lewdog** · 07-03-2013, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

Provide the names of the "let him back" votes so we can begin NEG mission!

But seriously, thanks. Much better without him here.

Prison Bitch · 07-03-2013, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Why do people want to DFA Gutierrez. He has been pretty damn good.

Because people don't want to call Crow a turd even though he is one

**DeezNutz** · 07-03-2013, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog

Provide the names of the "let him back" votes so we can begin NEG mission!

But seriously, thanks. Much better without him here.

My bad.

BigCatDaddy · 07-03-2013, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

I bet Hootie was one

**Shogun** · 07-03-2013, 07:15 PM

Ill be that guy now.

@Royals: We are now looking at a 9:00 first pitch. #RoyalsWeather

Coach · 07-03-2013, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

Please eliminate the people who had him "let him back" votes, thank you in advance.

We're trying to control the dumbassery to a minimum here, ya know?

Nightfyre · 07-03-2013, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

Two questions:
1) Were patteeu and SaulGood the whiteknights?
2) Did pos or neg rep win?

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1790308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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