Chiefs New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft - Page 4

FringeNC · 05:47 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true

The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete.

Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott ***** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job.

That includes preparation for the NFL draft.

The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team.

"We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that."

It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced.

Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson.

Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise.

"Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay.

"History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement."

Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback.

Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL.

"What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1."

By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position.

Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season.

"Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization."

Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it?

Not necessarily.

Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection.

"My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility."

It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs.

Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones.

One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.

"Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that."

Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay.

That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes.

"It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right."

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ChiefSuspect · 01-15-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

thing about Andy Reid is he also actually can HIT just as much as he misses. Where as Scooter ***** just ****ing completely whiffs 99 percent of the time.

So every Andy Reid list you have of crappy players you can also make a list of good ones.

in 2012 alone

Fletcher Cox
Mychael Kendricks
Nick Foles
Brandon Boykin
Dennis Kelly
Bryce Brown

all contributed to the Eagles this season in terms of production more than we have seen out of any one Scooter ***** draft in 4 years. All had prospective potential and production and some sort of NFL talent in their rookie seasons, and only looks good for their development.

This was the first good draft the Eagles have had in literally years. There were several atrocious drafts before it.

And the owner just gave all of the credit for the 2012 draft (which hasn't even played out) to the current GM.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

GTFO.

You're taking up valuable message board space.

care to elaborate on why you disagree?

ChiefPassesALot · 01-15-2013, 06:16 PM

Anyway, that's what I researched today on Wikipedia about Reid's drafting and career as head Coach so far.

FringeNC · 01-15-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect

He had full personnel control in Philly for the past 10 years.

I don't know if Philly has drafted well or not...

If they didn't, I'm glad we will be using the GB draft board rather than the Philly draft board, regardless of whether Reid or Dorsey has final say on the pick. For all of Reid's supposed bad picks, something tells me he wasn't drafting someone 100 places ahead of board position.

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmTheWalrus

care to elaborate on why you disagree?

Not really, no. I make it a point not to elaborate with trolls.

ChiefSuspect · 01-15-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

I don't know if Philly has drafted well or not...

If they didn't, I'm glad we will be using the GB draft board rather than the Philly draft board, regardless of whether Reid or Dorsey has final say on the pick. For all of Reid's supposed bad picks, something tells me he wasn't drafting someone 100 places ahead of board position.

They've drafted terribly for several years now. That's why they're in the position they're in.

RustShack · 01-15-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmTheWalrus

Joeckel, Warmak, Werner, Rhodes, Banks, Mingo, Star, Patterson, Moore and Richardson are all better "prospects"...at QB I'd take Nassib, Wilson, Bray, Scott and Dysert I would gladly take over him.

No, they aren't.

6'3, 220 Lbs. Great accuracy, even on deep routes. Very good arm strength. Fast for a QB meaning can make plays/buy time with legs if needed.

Hes a great QB prospect. Needs a little help to be NFL ready, and we have one of the best in the business to help him reach max potential. When you have a QB guru, you an afford to take a less polished prospect with huge upside.

4,205 yards, 42 TD's, 6 INT's, 71.2% against the same competition that produced RG3.

Clear cut #1 pick if West Virginia had a better defense.

RustShack · 01-15-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect

They've drafted terribly for several years now. That's why they're in the position they're in.

They went downhill when Banner took over.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

No, they aren't.

6'3, 220 Lbs. Great accuracy, even on deep routes. Very good arm strength. Fast for a QB meaning can make plays/buy time with legs if needed.

Hes a great QB prospect. Needs a little help to be NFL ready, and we have one of the best in the business to help him reach max potential. When you have a QB guru, you an afford to take a less polished prospect with huge upside.

4,205 yards, 42 TD's, 6 INT's, 71.2% against the same competition that produced RG3.

Clear cut #1 pick if West Virginia had a better defense.

RGIII had an equally as bad D and he won a lot of games. You don't draft a guy at #1 if he needs a little help being NFL ready.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Not really, no. I make it a point not to elaborate with trolls.

then

...I try to talk football and you're the one who's trolling

Coogs · 01-15-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

what do you guys think about Denard Robinson or Collin Klein?

Probably not #1 overall worthy.

ChiefSuspect · 01-15-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

They went downhill when Banner took over.

No. Banner has been there for Reid's entire tenure. He was never heading the drafts.

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

No, they aren't.

6'3, 220 Lbs. Great accuracy, even on deep routes. Very good arm strength. Fast for a QB meaning can make plays/buy time with legs if needed.

Hes a great QB prospect. Needs a little help to be NFL ready, and we have one of the best in the business to help him reach max potential. When you have a QB guru, you an afford to take a less polished prospect with huge upside.

4,205 yards, 42 TD's, 6 INT's, 71.2% against the same competition that produced RG3.

Clear cut #1 pick if West Virginia had a better defense.

Do yourself a favor and ignore him. Anyone who would rather have dysert over smith is either trolling or far too dense to talk football with.

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

then

...I try to talk football and you're the one who's trolling

You'd rather have Dysert over Smith and you think you're talking football? Haha....ok, buddy.

RustShack · 01-15-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect

He had full personnel control in Philly for the past 10 years.

No, he lost it in 09 when Banner took full control and fired Heckert.

01-15-2013, 05:17 PM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1826014	New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete. Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott *** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job. That includes preparation for the NFL draft. The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team. "We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that." It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced. Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson. Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise. "Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay. "History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement." Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback. Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL. "What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1." By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position. Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season. "Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization." Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it? Not necessarily. Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection. "My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility." It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs. Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones. One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.** "Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that." Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay. That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes. "It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right." ——— Last edited by FringeNC; 01-15-2013 at 05:47 PM.. Reason: bold parts as requested for the pathologically lazy
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ChiefPassesALot Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $10004900	Anyway, that's what I researched today on Wikipedia about Reid's drafting and career as head Coach so far.
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