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Old 03-26-2014, 01:02 PM  
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College athletes on their way to a union.


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Old 03-26-2014, 01:53 PM   #31
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Welp. Finally might kill the NCAA as we know it in favor of a professional college league. Maybe someone has experience running a professional football league and will step in to help.
Let's just stop pretending college ball is amateur sport.
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:54 PM   #32
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Yes.

"If anyone tries to start a union, we'll fire your ass" is something that employers thought of a long, long time ago. There are very stiff penalties for that.
So receiving a scholarship => classifies you as an employee?
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:56 PM   #33
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They get a free education worth 100k+ it's their own fault if they don't take advantage of it. They get to party,bang hot college chick and be treated like campus heroes while getting to play a game.

They also get a free internship/audition for the career lotto where they can make more money in 1 year than most people do in a lifetime.

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The value of that education is less than the fair market value of their labor.

If it isn't, the school can easily say "we're not paying" and cancel sports.

Do you REALLY think they are going to do that? A few might, but not many.
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:57 PM   #34
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Seems to me that this path could lead initially to a tiered semi-professional football system that to maximize profit will separate from the NCAA and from the colleges as the players and league chase top dollar. From there some would thrive, some would survive and some won't last long at all.
Colleges do have the benefit of existing infrastructure and branding at the cost of sharing the potential wealth available to players.
Semi-Pro leagues would have the benefit of maximizing the football player's return on his value. In my experience, this is generally the direction people go.
Ultimately if this happened then players, instead of being Student-Athletes receiving an education and playing for a storied program, would be professional football players legally unaffiliated with the university. Why would they stay and concede top $ to other sports?
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:58 PM   #35
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The value of that education is less than the fair market value of their labor.

If it isn't, the school can easily say "we're not paying" and cancel sports.

Do you REALLY think they are going to do that? A few might, but not many.
I don't think that's true at every school. Not every school is making millions on their football or basketball program.
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:58 PM   #36
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The NLRB is a pro-union entity that won't rule against the workers and has only gotten more progressive since the Black King was elected.

This is nonsense-what until they are locked out and try to strike! LOL
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:59 PM   #37
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I think the schools will ultimately still have way more leverage.
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:59 PM   #38
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So receiving a scholarship => classifies you as an employee?
Nope. Most scholarships are just free money

Having a set hours per week to work for the university, a work place to report to on time, a boss who you have to obey, and the fact that keeping your scholarship often depends on your performance, does make you an employee.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:01 PM   #39
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I don't think that's true at every school. Not every school is making millions on their football or basketball program.
And at those schools, the wage is going to be less. The best employers who pay the most also can be picky and hire only the best employees in the real world.
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Old 03-26-2014, 02:01 PM   #40
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You can be both a student and an employee, lots of students work part-time at a school.
Right ...but your Union status and your admission status are exclusive to each other at this time.

Also...I think that'll they'll have to be students to play there...and then why would you give them a scholarship? They'll just end-up paying that money back to the University. And Athletes can cost way more to house than a normal student.
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By the way, we can easily pass a law carving out a "college athlete exception", declaring that student athletes are not employees and the schools are under no obligation to pay them.

That is something the congress CAN do, and I'm not necessarily opposed to that, I'm not sure how I feel about passing that kind of law.

But this silly fiction we currently live in where we all pretend that college athletes are not employees and that their scholarship is enough is crap. If we want college athletes to not be paid, then we need to explicitly make that clear in our laws.
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Not a good idea IMO.

I know people want to point to kids not getting paid for playing for a school that is cashing huge checks for their performances...but that's bullshit.

Players are paid in scholarships and lots of other ways not shown in their bank accounts.

This is gonna be a game changer.
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Right ...but your Union status and your admission status are exclusive to each other at this time.

Also...I think that'll they'll have to be students to play there...and then why would you give them a scholarship? They'll just end-up paying that money back to the University. And Athletes can cost way more to house than a normal student.
If your eligibility to work requires that you be a student in good standing in the school, thats fine. The union will probably require that student-athletes be expelled (and therefore fired) only for cause and have some kind of appeal process for that. Students at most schools can appeal expulsions now anyway.
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Not a good idea IMO.

I know people want to point to kids not getting paid for playing for a school that is cashing huge checks for their performances...but that's bullshit.

Players are paid in scholarships and lots of other ways not shown in their bank accounts.

This is gonna be a game changer.
yeah...and as ollie said...it's a way down th road and then it gets interesting after all the procedures have run their course.
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Another thing that sticks out too...is oh....you have an income now....we're gonna need you to pay income tax.
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