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Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.


But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?



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Old 02-20-2013, 02:08 PM   #331
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Well, certainly not YOU, Dane.

JFC.

Mention even the mere possibility of Geno Smith and you go off like Adolf.

You failed to answer my question.

What does John Dorsey think about this QB class?
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:09 PM   #332
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We really don't know, because just about everything that comes out of a GM's mouth this time of year is probably a lie.
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:10 PM   #333
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So, were you a tool when you were slurping Sanchez while every draftnik questioned him?
Go back and read my posts. I wasn't "slurping", first off. And once the Cassel trade was made, it was irrelevant.

Furthermore, I wasn't pushing Sanchez for 6 months before the draft.

This shit with Smith is about 1,000 times as annoying as the ****ing Ricky Stanzi shit, which quite frankly, I never thought possible.
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:10 PM   #334
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And AS they were coming out of college, teams and scouts missed on Brady, Montana, Kaepernick, so on and so forth.

It doesn't mean that those guys WEREN'T ready to lead a team to a championship game or the Super Bowl, it was that scouts and GM's weren't AWARE they were ready. They were misses.

And furthermore, if you're going to ask this question, maybe you should do it in a Private Message, you know, since only people that have "watched film" should respond.



You guys are acting like ****ing tools.
We aren't the ones being tools here, Dane.

We were trying to have a discussion about an important part of drafting a quarterback that tmk hasn't been discussed yet and you came in the house all coked up and swinging your fists with your eyes closed.
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We really don't know, because just about everything that comes out of a GM's mouth this time of year is probably a lie.
Bullshit.

You don't like his direct answer, so you refuse to believe it.

That's called DENIAL.
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We aren't the ones being tools here, Dane.

We were trying to have a discussion about an important part of drafting a quarterback that tmk hasn't been discussed yet and you came in the house all coked up and swinging your fists with your eyes closed.
No, I answered your question.

Again, you didn't like the answer, so now I'm the "blind, bad guy".

And Ricky Stanzi should have been a second rounder.

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Old 02-20-2013, 02:12 PM   #337
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With all due respect, Kirwan's ****ing moron. When he ran the personnel department for the Jets, they were ****ing awful (The Kotite years and more).

The guy couldn't get a job in the NFL if he worked for free.
Is anyone not a moron?

I guess that's my question here. You seem unwilling to do any homework yourself, and that's fine. You also seem hell-bent on blasting anyone that has. Okay, that's less fine but whatever. You also seem content with calling just about anyone that's proffered an opinion nationally something of an idiot.

WTF are you even hanging around for then? Your entire purpose at this stage appears to be to just tell people to shut up and wait for what happens. Well ****, Dane - it's a discussion board. What the hell's the point in having a discussion board if all we're going to do is sit and wait for the results to trickle in?

We're not curing cancer here, we're talking football. Contribute or leave.

Sitting back and blasting folks that are actually throwing ideas out there, good and bad, is just tiresome. I'
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:16 PM   #338
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Go back and read Dorsey's comments again. He doesn't say that he orvReidcthink that Geno or other qbs aren't worthy of the top pick...he dances around while saying very little of real substance....he basically says "some guys don't think there is even a first round quarterback in this class. Mine and Andy's job is to see if that's true and we are gonna do everything we can to do exactly that."

Shit, he clearly said that he and Andy will make their own lists about the position and that they would attend every workout and interview they can.

It's not like Dorsey was scouting Geno for the Packers during the last year, he even said the most important part of the process had yet to come.
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Is anyone not a moron?

I guess that's my question here. You seem unwilling to do any homework yourself, and that's fine. You also seem hell-bent on blasting anyone that has. Okay, that's less fine but whatever. You also seem content with calling just about anyone that's proffered an opinion nationally something of an idiot.
No, what's truly ridiculous is that when the so-called "National Media" has a negative opinion of the Chiefs, the forum says that they suck, King sucks, Prisco sucks, Florio sucks, Whitlock sucks, etc.

Yet, when the national media agrees with the opinion of Chiefsplanet, suddenly, those pundits are okay.

It's laughable.

And no, I'm not going to sit around and waste my time watching shitty YouTube clips of a QB that may or may not be selected by the Chiefs in late April.

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WTF are you even hanging around for then? Your entire purpose at this stage appears to be to just tell people to shut up and wait for what happens. Well ****, Dane - it's a discussion board. What the hell's the point in having a discussion board if all we're going to do is sit and wait for the results to trickle in?
Ha! So, since my opinion is to be cautious and point out the ridiculous flaws in people's thinking, I'm not welcome?

Maybe I should just stay up all night and watch YouTube clips, just so I can join your club. That sounds like fun.

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We're not curing cancer here, we're talking football. Contribute or leave.
Contribute or leave? What the ****? You're the same ****ing guy that lobbied for Dana Holgersen and told me that Javon Belcher was an above average ILB, yet I should leave?

Yeah, no.

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Sitting back and blasting folks that are actually throwing ideas out there, good and bad, is just tiresome. I'
You know what's truly tiresome? Reading the same bullshit from the same exact people in every thread for months on end.

THAT'S tiresome.
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No, I answered your question.

Again, you didn't like the answer, so now I'm the "blind, bad guy".

And Ricky Stanzi should have been a second rounder.

Your opinion on anything to do with a QB that you have only seen the two worst games of the career of is one of two things:

Irrelevant
Ignorant.

If you want to be taken seriously in a conversation about Geno, take some time and watch some of the "every throw in each game" on YouTube because the two games you saw showed NONE OF HIS UPSIDE, whatsoever.

There are whole games on YouTube, Dane...not just "highlight clips"
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Bullshit.

You don't like his direct answer, so you refuse to believe it.

That's called DENIAL.
Dorsey didn't give his opinion.
He tod us what he's heard.

He and his staff are just starting the evaluation process on thes prospectsn having just finished evaluating the Chiefs roster.
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Go back and read Dorsey's comments again. He doesn't say that he orvReidcthink that Geno or other qbs aren't worthy of the top pick...
No.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/16...chiefs-if.html

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”


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he dances around while saying very little of real substance....he basically says "some guys don't think there is even a first round quarterback in this class. Mine and Andy's job is to see if that's true and we are gonna do everything we can to do exactly that."
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It's not like Dorsey was scouting Geno for the Packers during the last year, he even said the most important part of the process had yet to come.
Complete speculation.

If you don't think that the Chiefs have watched game film of every QB available in the NFL draft, you're mistaken.
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Dorsey didn't give his opinion.
He tod us what he's heard.

He and his staff are just starting the evaluation process on thes prospectsn having just finished evaluating the Chiefs roster.
You didn't read the article, either?

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”
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Dorsey didn't give his opinion.
He tod us what he's heard.

He and his staff are just starting the evaluation process on thes prospectsn having just finished evaluating the Chiefs roster.
Exactly.

People read things like "there are personnel people that say there isn't a first round quarterback in this class" and immediately take that as "I, John Dorsey don't think there is a QB worth a first round pick for us"

It's not at all what he said.

Shit, he even said that he and Reid would be doing their own homework and setting their own QB board by doing as much homework as possible.

He also said that what happens between now and the draft is THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
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"can definitely say" is not the same as "there is not one"

It's a gray area, and gray area statements are the norm this time of year.

Chill the **** out, hoss.
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