Chiefs Glenn Dorsey: From Tradable Asset To Key To The Defense

T-post Tom · 08-08-2009, 12:15 AM

A few months ago, when Scott Pioli and the Chiefs first decided they would run the 3-4 defense this year, Glenn Dorsey seemed destined for one of two things: a trade, or failure.

Dorsey's skill set and body type just do not fit what most people think about typical 3-4 defensive lineman; he is not heavy or squat enough to play nose tackle, and he is not tall and athletic enough to play defensive end.

3-4 linemen are supposed to take up blocks and let the linebackers do the work, not penetrate and blow things up in the backfield, and that is exactly what Dorsey is best at doing.

We weren't the only one's who made this connection—that Dorsey's unique skill set would go to waste in the 3-4—the Chiefs realized this too, and made adjustments.

“A lot of people are thinking this is a straight 3-4 defense and it’s not,” said Dorsey. “Being at an end is a new place for me, but it’s not going to be a classic 3-4 end on every snap."

"There's a place for me on this defense."

So here's the plan, the Chiefs will be implementing some sort of 3-4/4-3 hybrid that was run in Arizona last year by defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast that was called the "4-3 Under" by the Cardinals linebacker coach, Bill Davis.

Glenn Dorsey won't be lining up heads up over the offensive tackle, in the five-technique, on most downs. Instead, he will be shaded slightly inside, between the guard and tackle.

Lining up in this manner will allow Dorsey to play a more typical 4-3 defensive tackle role and shoot the gap when the ball is snapped. Disrupting the offense in this way allows Dorsey to utilize his unique skill set to the fullest extent.

Playing outside of him in the DE/OLB role will most likely be Tamba Hali, who on most snaps will solely be rushing the passer. He mainly will be left one-on-one with the left tackle and is expected to be able to beat him on most snaps, especially given he will start from a two point stance most of the time.
With Hali occupying the left tackle, and nose tackle Tank Tyler most likely double teamed by the center and right guard, Dorsey will be left one on one with the left guard. Dorsey left one-on-one with a guard is a match up I will take any day of the week.

This combination of rare positions side by side will not only confuse the defenses, but will apply pressure on the quarterback's blindside from two different positions, causing even more chaos.

Getting this kind of pressure from a defensive end in a 3-4(ish) scheme is very unique, and is sure to cause confusion for the opposing offensive line. Only the Cardinals have run this scheme before, and is still very new to the NFL.

Hopefully the Chiefs will be able to exploit this new fad to the fullest, much like the "Wildcat" formation has done thus far.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fense#comments

Hammock Parties · 08-08-2009, 12:16 AM

Yup. Been saying this for awhile now.

The Chiefs are not going to ask Dorsey to do something he can't do.

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With Hali occupying the left tackle, and nose tackle Tank Tyler most likely double teamed by the center and right guard, Dorsey will be left one on one with the left guard. Dorsey left one-on-one with a guard is a match up I will take any day of the week.

And Derrick Johnson runs free...or takes on a fullback at the worst.

RustShack · 08-08-2009, 12:36 AM

So that leaves Jackson one on one with the RT which I think he has the advantage over a lot. Then again the TE is often on that side putting him in two on one... but if he can hold that well that really opens it up for Vrabel to come around... or that puts both of them in one on one which seems to be a good situation for us. IF Edwards or Tank can play NT well I think this defense could shock some people.

Hammock Parties · 08-08-2009, 12:45 AM

Of course Vrabel and Hali aren't both going to rush at the same time on every down.

Chiefs=Champions · 08-08-2009, 01:37 AM

The key is definitely NT it all comes down to how Edwards and Tank play...

They play bad this defense is as bad as last year.

They play well, like Rustshack said this defense could surprise some people.

As simple as that really...

teedubya · 08-08-2009, 02:11 AM

This is a nice wrinkle...

**kysirsoze** · 08-08-2009, 02:27 AM

This is how I figured it would work. Then everybody on this board seemed to think Dorsey was ****ed in the 3-4 so I assumed I was an idiot. I hope I wasn't. As much as I would love the offense to find an identity, it's the defense I miss watching. It's been a decade since I took pride in our defense.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-08-2009, 02:28 AM

While I don't think it's a good idea to give information like this away on teh intrawebs where anyone can read it, it's good to see and know that in the case of the defense; there is a plan.

And with proper execution, it sounds like a damned good one.

**kysirsoze** · 08-08-2009, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

While I don't think it's a good idea to give information like this away on teh intrawebs where anyone can read it, it's good to see and know that in the case of the defense; there is a plan.

And with proper execution, it sounds like a damned good one.

I imagine this was all stuff that any decent offensive scout would have identified anyway.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-08-2009, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

This is how I figured it would work. Then everybody on this board seemed to think Dorsey was ****ed in the 3-4 so I assumed I was an idiot. I hope I wasn't. As much as I would love the offense to find an identity, it's the defense I miss watching. It's been a decade since I took pride in our defense.

Sing that song!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-08-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

I imagine this was all stuff that any decent offensive scout would have identified anyway.

True. I guess Pioli has me in "CIA mode".

"SECRETS SAVE LIVES"!

**kysirsoze** · 08-08-2009, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

True. I guess Pioli has me in "CIA mode".

"SECRETS SAVE LIVES"!

Don't worry... I'm sure ol' Clancy has a few tricks up his sleeve, courtesy of The Don.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-08-2009, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Don't worry... I'm sure ol' Clancy has a few tricks up his sleeve, courtesy of The Don.

Can you imagine a tell-all book from Pioli, many years down the road, when all of the politics of the game that he has used or created are finally laid bare?

If he brings KC to Dynasty Status, this guy is a Legend. The Greatest. The best to ever do the job. That's some heavy shit.

Mojo Rising · 08-08-2009, 02:52 AM

Will Dorsey have more of an impact than Sims?

**kysirsoze** · 08-08-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Rising

Will Dorsey have more of an impact than Sims?

Sims??? WHo is this Sims you speak of?? The real question is will he rival the almighty Siavii?????

08-08-2009, 12:15 AM
T-post Tom Threepeat! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $4607293	Glenn Dorsey: From Tradable Asset To Key To The Defense A few months ago, when Scott Pioli and the Chiefs first decided they would run the 3-4 defense this year, Glenn Dorsey seemed destined for one of two things: a trade, or failure. Dorsey's skill set and body type just do not fit what most people think about typical 3-4 defensive lineman; he is not heavy or squat enough to play nose tackle, and he is not tall and athletic enough to play defensive end. 3-4 linemen are supposed to take up blocks and let the linebackers do the work, not penetrate and blow things up in the backfield, and that is exactly what Dorsey is best at doing. We weren't the only one's who made this connection—that Dorsey's unique skill set would go to waste in the 3-4—the Chiefs realized this too, and made adjustments. “A lot of people are thinking this is a straight 3-4 defense and it’s not,” said Dorsey. “Being at an end is a new place for me, but it’s not going to be a classic 3-4 end on every snap." "There's a place for me on this defense." So here's the plan, the Chiefs will be implementing some sort of 3-4/4-3 hybrid that was run in Arizona last year by defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast that was called the "4-3 Under" by the Cardinals linebacker coach, Bill Davis. Glenn Dorsey won't be lining up heads up over the offensive tackle, in the five-technique, on most downs. Instead, he will be shaded slightly inside, between the guard and tackle. Lining up in this manner will allow Dorsey to play a more typical 4-3 defensive tackle role and shoot the gap when the ball is snapped. Disrupting the offense in this way allows Dorsey to utilize his unique skill set to the fullest extent. Playing outside of him in the DE/OLB role will most likely be Tamba Hali, who on most snaps will solely be rushing the passer. He mainly will be left one-on-one with the left tackle and is expected to be able to beat him on most snaps, especially given he will start from a two point stance most of the time. With Hali occupying the left tackle, and nose tackle Tank Tyler most likely double teamed by the center and right guard, Dorsey will be left one on one with the left guard. Dorsey left one-on-one with a guard is a match up I will take any day of the week. This combination of rare positions side by side will not only confuse the defenses, but will apply pressure on the quarterback's blindside from two different positions, causing even more chaos. Getting this kind of pressure from a defensive end in a 3-4(ish) scheme is very unique, and is sure to cause confusion for the opposing offensive line. Only the Cardinals have run this scheme before, and is still very new to the NFL. Hopefully the Chiefs will be able to exploit this new fad to the fullest, much like the "Wildcat" formation has done thus far. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fense#comments
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