Chiefs New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft - Page 6

FringeNC · 05:47 PM

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The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete.

Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott ***** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job.

That includes preparation for the NFL draft.

The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team.

"We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that."

It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced.

Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson.

Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise.

"Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay.

"History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement."

Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback.

Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL.

"What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1."

By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position.

Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season.

"Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization."

Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it?

Not necessarily.

Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection.

"My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility."

It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs.

Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones.

One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.

"Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that."

Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay.

That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes.

"It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right."

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htismaqe · 01-15-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

desperation is a recipe for failure

Good thing we're not desperate and Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson are BOTH right there for the taking.

Rasputin · 01-15-2013, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

I wouldn't take Dysert #1 overall...I'm saying you can get him for better value in the 2nd or the 3rd. That's better than wasting the #1 pick on Geno. There is only a few top talents in the draft and Geno isn't one of them.

You are one dumb mother ****er.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Good thing we're not desperate and Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson are BOTH right there for the taking.

Would you take Wilson #1 overall though? It's about mixing value, potential and talent.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

You are one dumb mother ****er.

I must be

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

Would you take Wilson #1 overall though? It's about mixing value, potential and talent.

Value.....value is for draftniks who wanna give grades at the end of the day.

**** Value.

What matters is getting the best player who will improve your team in the most significant way.

Drafting Dysert (a far lesser talent, im not even sure how the **** you could argue that) and having him sit behind Brady ****ing Quinn while he "develops" won't help this team win. By the time your boy develops (if he develops) Coaches and GM's will be fired.

Let me ask you this.....If you were the GM of the Chiefs, and Hunt came to you and said, "Babysealboy, you MUST take a QB 1st overall". Which would you take? Trading down is not an option.

silver5liter · 01-15-2013, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

desperation is a recipe for failure

Locker has looked to have the ability to be good in several games this year, but his injuries have held him down. Ponder has actually been pretty good.

RustShack · 01-15-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect

No, Joe Banner never had personnel control in Philly. You're 100% wrong. Reid had full control and final say over all personnel matters once Tom Modrak was fired in 2002. He didn't give it up until he was fired. Banner was in charge of contract negotiations and other business matters. He had input, but never any control.

when Andy went through his issues with the family and his sons early on, that was a time for Joe to step in and try to make every decision," McNabb said. "That's when you kind of felt like Andy lost his power. And every decision that was made, it was going through Joe."

"It didn't matter who the GM was at that time, because when Tom Heckert was here, it seemed like Joe made every decision," McNabb said. "And it was so easy for him to just kind of push Heckert out

When Heckert left the Eagles, Howie Roseman took over as GM, but at first he seemed to be doing Banner's bidding

Banner "was already grooming Howie" to take Heckert's position, "so basically he could make every decision and just have Howie there with the title.

McNabb seemed to confirm rumors of power struggles: "Now Andy came back and regained some of the power, but Joe was the one that was holding all of the power, I felt, and everyone in the locker room knew that."

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Value.....value is for draftniks who wanna give grades at the end of the day.

**** Value.

What matters is getting the best player who will improve your team in the most significant way.

Drafting Dysert (a far lesser talent, im not even sure how the **** you could argue that) and having him sit behind Brady ****ing Quinn while he "develops" won't help this team win. By the time your boy develops (if he develops) Coaches and GM's will be fired.

Let me ask you this.....If you were the GM of the Chiefs, and Hunt came to you and said, "Babysealboy, you MUST take a QB 1st overall". Which would you take? Trading down is not an option.

I'm pretty sure the FO knows that this isn't gonna be the quickest turn around in the world. If you find a guy you like you're allowed to reach a little. I happen to dislike Geno. Nassib and Wilson are my fav QB's in the draft personally. I also like Scott and Dysert as early round to mid round sleepers. If I had no choice but to select a QB #1 overall, I would say Nassib, because **** value right?

RustShack · 01-15-2013, 06:48 PM

Anyone who says Banner didn't run the Eagles, and pushed Heckert out is uninformed and an idiot for trying to argue different. If Banner liked Heckert, he would keep him in Cleveland.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by silver5liter

Locker has looked to have the ability to be good in several games this year, but his injuries have held him down. Ponder has actually been pretty good.

Locker has a lot of talent but he needs to put it all together.
Ponder is nothing special.

silver5liter · 01-15-2013, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

I'm pretty sure the FO knows that this isn't gonna be the quickest turn around in the world. If you find a guy you like you're allowed to reach a little. I happen to dislike Geno. Nassib and Wilson are my fav QB's in the draft personally. I also like Scott and Dysert as early round to mid round sleepers. If I had no choice but to select a QB #1 overall, I would say Nassib, because **** value right?

Why do you dislike Geno? Give a reason.

ChiefsCountry · 01-15-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of the Packers drafts vs what they needed.

IMO, Dorsey is FoS.

I remember some guy name Brian Bulaga being drafted when the Packers needed O-line Help. Im sure there are plenty of examples out there, but im too lazy to look for them.

Bulaga was a top 15 talent that was available to the Packers at 23. It was a BPA that happened to fill a need as well.

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by silver5liter

Why do you dislike Geno? Give a reason.

Wilts in big games, can't put the team on his back, limited understand of reading a variety of coverages. Sometimes he looks impressive and other times he looks absolutely lost out there. He's a 1st round talent, but not #1 overall. Like I said Nassib and Wilson are my fav QB's in the draft. My Wilson love is leftover from last year though.

silver5liter · 01-15-2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

Wilts in big games, can't put the team on his back, limited understand of reading a variety of coverages. Sometimes he looks impressive and other times he looks absolutely lost out there. He's a 1st round talent, but not #1 overall. Like I said Nassib and Wilson are my fav QB's in the draft. My Wilson love is leftover from last year though.

Didnt watch many wvu games did you?

Saccopoo · 01-15-2013, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

I'm pretty sure the FO knows that this isn't gonna be the quickest turn around in the world. If you find a guy you like you're allowed to reach a little. I happen to dislike Geno. Nassib and Wilson are my fav QB's in the draft personally. I also like Scott and Dysert as early round to mid round sleepers. If I had no choice but to select a QB #1 overall, I would say Nassib, because **** value right?

Okay ding-dong.

While it doesn't mean much, and the defenses they faced were drastically different, they were playing on the same field and the same conditions.

Geno and Nassib in the Pinstripe Bowl.

Did you watch the game?

And you'd rather have Nassib?

Over Geno?

Please explain. I'd like to hear some details as to why Nassib is a better future NFL QB over Geno.

01-15-2013, 05:17 PM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1846014	New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete. Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott *** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job. That includes preparation for the NFL draft. The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team. "We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that." It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced. Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson. Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise. "Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay. "History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement." Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback. Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL. "What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1." By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position. Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season. "Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization." Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it? Not necessarily. Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection. "My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility." It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs. Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones. One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.** "Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that." Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay. That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes. "It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right." ——— Last edited by FringeNC; 01-15-2013 at 05:47 PM.. Reason: bold parts as requested for the pathologically lazy
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